Autonomy+ Poll: Will you be buying / subscribing to it?

[VandalSibs]

For those of us who are acronym challenged….. HA? ACC?

Highway Assist and Adaptive Cruise Control.

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[elderforester]

One-time purchase. I want to support their efforts to continue to develop the features.

 

[BTOR]

Highway Assist and Adaptive Cruise Control.

Ah, of course. TY

 

[rcz22]

Have to agree with most who have already replied, I absolutely love this car (granted only having 2mo worth of experience so perhaps I'm still in honeymoon phase) - but agree the Autonomy+ features at $50/mo don't add enough value on top of the $15/mo I'm going to pay for the connect+ since I do find that valuable.

 

[mkhuffman]

I think point-to-point is gonna happen for the current Gen 2 vehicles, just minus the parking. I vaguely remember that from the Autonomy event.

I remember that also. I came away from that event with the understanding that Gen2 hardware is capable of supervised point to point, and LiDAR is required for unsupervised L4.

Will Rivian deliver it to the Gen2 R1? If they do, they better get on it because the current gap between UHF and Tesla FSD is massive.

It could go the way of the Gen1 R1: grand plans that are never realized.

I am planning on upgrading to a Gen3 R1T anyway.

 

[TexasBob]

I remember that also. I came away from that event with the understanding that Gen2 hardware is capable of supervised point to point, and LiDAR is required for unsupervised L4.

Will Rivian deliver it to the Gen2 R1? If they do, they better get on it because the current gap between UHF and Tesla FSD is massive.

It could go the way of the Gen1 R1: grand plans that are never realized.

I am planning on upgrading to a Gen3 R1T anyway.

You are correct, I was remembering wrong. According to Gemini:


Capability Breakdown for Gen 2

• Surface Streets: Rivian demonstrated Gen 2 R1S engineering vehicles performing point-to-point navigation during the event. This includes navigating obstacles, handling turns, and managing surface street traffic, though under human supervision.
• Universal Hands-Free (UHF): This is the immediate precursor to point-to-point. It expanded hands-free driving from 150,000 miles of mapped highways to 3.5 million miles of roads with clear lane markings (including many non-divided highways).
  
  
• The "Eyes-Off" Barrier: The reason for the confusion with Gen 3 is that Rivian stated "Eyes-Off" capabilities (where the driver does not need to monitor the road) require the Gen 3 hardware suite, which includes their custom dual-RAP1 chips (1,600 TOPS) and LiDAR. Gen 2 lacks the LiDAR and the massive compute ceiling required for the legal and safety redundancies of true Level 3/4 driving.

 

[carsly]

I have fully paid FSD in my Tesla and it works - point to point. I've driven (or been driven) 300+ miles in a day multiple times with no interventions on local roads, highways, coming on/off highways onto other highways, etc. It's amazing how much better it's gotten in just the last two years.

I've also tried to use Driver+ Autonomy+ Universal Hands Free or whatever Rivian will brand it tomorrow a few times on pre-mapped highways and it's quite bad - at least in NJ. Completely blind to vehicles merging in from the right-hand side as they do on highways and I've never been able to use it for more than a half-mile without needing to intervene. It's just not very good right now. Worse than Autopilot circa 2019, at least in my experiences with my Gen 2 R1S. I really do hope it improves dramatically, but without stop sign, traffic light, yield signs, etc. - basically knowing to obey the rules of the road - I'm not sure I can ever justify paying for it on subscription or one-time knowing I already have an FSD equipped vehicle at the ready.

Fingers crossed on Rivian's development efforts. I would prefer to road trip the R1S but the tech is too far behind right now. Heck, phone as a key was mediocre a few months ago, now 90+% of the time I have to unlock in the app or just stand there tapping on my door handle until the end of days and that's with a Gen 2 R1S and iPhone 17 Pro.

 

[mkhuffman]

I have fully paid FSD in my Tesla and it works - point to point. I've driven (or been driven) 300+ miles in a day multiple times with no interventions on local roads, highways, coming on/off highways onto other highways, etc. It's amazing how much better it's gotten in just the last two years.

I've also tried to use Driver+ Autonomy+ Universal Hands Free or whatever Rivian will brand it tomorrow a few times on pre-mapped highways and it's quite bad - at least in NJ. Completely blind to vehicles merging in from the right-hand side as they do on highways and I've never been able to use it for more than a half-mile without needing to intervene. It's just not very good right now. Worse than Autopilot circa 2019, at least in my experiences with my Gen 2 R1S. I really do hope it improves dramatically, but without stop sign, traffic light, yield signs, etc. - basically knowing to obey the rules of the road - I'm not sure I can ever justify paying for it on subscription or one-time knowing I already have an FSD equipped vehicle at the ready.

Fingers crossed on Rivian's development efforts. I would prefer to road trip the R1S but the tech is too far behind right now. Heck, phone as a key was mediocre a few months ago, now 90+% of the time I have to unlock in the app or just stand there tapping on my door handle until the end of days and that's with a Gen 2 R1S and iPhone 17 Pro.

I assume you are using the wallet for PaaK? It sounds like the issues I have been having, but I have a Samsung and the Samsung wallet.

 

[carsly]

I assume you are using the wallet for PaaK? It sounds like the issues I have been having, but I have a Samsung and the Samsung wallet.

Rivian key is in apple wallet. Theoretically it's on my watch as well so you'd think UWB would detect the presence of both - watch and phone - fairly quickly and repetably but no luck. Honestly it worked better previously before Apple wallet and it was just bluetooth and the mobile app.

 

[mkhuffman]

Rivian key is in apple wallet. Theoretically it's on my watch as well so you'd think UWB would detect the presence of both - watch and phone - fairly quickly and repetably but no luck. Honestly it worked better previously before Apple wallet and it was just bluetooth and the mobile app.

Can you check the settings on Apple wallet and see if the battery settings are unrestricted and you have the permissions allowed for nearby devices and location? I think typically those settings are not necessary for the wallet, but when using as a key those settings need to be changed from the default.

Since I changed those wallet settings on my phone, PaaK has worked flawlessly. I've only been testing it for about a week so I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure that fixed my PaaK problems.

 

[carsly]

Can you check the settings on Apple wallet and see if the battery settings are unrestricted and you have the permissions allowed for nearby devices and location? I think typically those settings are not necessary for the wallet, but when using as a key those settings need to be changed from the default.

Since I changed those wallet settings on my phone, PaaK has worked flawlessly. I've only been testing it for about a week so I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure that fixed my PaaK problems.

Appreciate the suggestion and took a look, here's what I've got. Feedback welcome.

 

[mkhuffman]

Appreciate the suggestion and took a look, here's what I've got. Feedback welcome.

Check the permissions on the wallet app itself. It should have separate permission settings.

I think my wallet was getting put to sleep, and maybe the location and nearby device settings need to be unrestricted also. I think it is more likely related to the app sleeping.

 

[STLLTH]

For me in Hawaii, mine doesn't even change lanes so basically, it's the equivalent of ACC...so trying to understand why I'd pay for $49 a month or $2.5K for something in its current state. If I were Rivian, I'd give the current setup free to all R1 vehicles...then charge when they start to add the off ramp, parking assist, and point to point capabilities. That way people can see what it can do in its free version state and then think seriously about buying the full package once they fine tune it via software updates.

 

[dradam]

I would totally do the $2500 as a one time expense. If it included the motherboard upgrade, zonal architecture upgrade, enduro/meridian upgrade with nacs and max pack for my Gen 1.

 

[carsly]

I would totally do the $2500 as a one time expense. If it included the motherboard upgrade, zonal architecture upgrade, enduro/meridian upgrade with nacs and max pack for my Gen 1.

I thnk that's called a 'trade-in' and it's likely to be more than $2,500....unless you trade-in on R2.

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