Biggest downgrade for Gen2 R1?

[Miketz]

I expect a lot of Rivian fanboy noise for saying this but the biggest downgrade for me is switching to in-house motors. As an Investor, I am glad they did, but Bosch has been building motors for a century and Rivian is new at this.

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[MountainBikeDude]

I expect a lot of Rivian fanboy noise for saying this but the biggest downgrade for me is switching to in-house motors. As an Investor, I am glad they did, but Bosch has been building motors for a century and Rivian is new at this.

Fair, but the bosch motor was a generic motor where as the Rivian's are a purpose built motor from the start. You see this with the ability to cool the motors between the two variants.

I do like that they partnered with Bosch to make the Quad a reality early on, but if you've watched a Munro teardown of the two, you see the immediate advantages of the Enduro/Ascent in terms of design and execution over the Bosch. My only gripe with the Enduro is the clutch. I wish they had gone with a similar tesla strategy of Permanent magnet full time motor and induction part time.

 

[TheRiviAnswer]

What everyone else said, plus no fog lights. I've used them a handful of times and I'm glad I have them

 

[White Shadow]

Even more so the new interior trim configuration options. And damnit I don't want silver calipers... just awful

I really like the silver calipers. Any "loud" color on the calipers is just too "boy racer" looking to me. Keep the caliper paint understated for sure.

 

[elatrickWheels]

I’m going to sit this one out. I plan to enjoy my Gen 1 R1S for several more years. My next Rivian will be an R2 and when I eventually upgrade the R1, we might be talking about G4 or G5. By then I’d expect:

• Much longer range
• Much faster charging
• Much quieter ride
• Ability to power my house during a power grid outage

(As the consumer, I’m focusing on the “what” I get, rather than the “how,” with things like 800v architecture in the “how“ category.)

A few things that I’d like to see in my R1S as OTA upgrades are

• 3rd party app support (for things like OnX)
• Ability to define a second Home location

I’m wary of the transition to car-features-as-a-service model. Whereas that’s better for the vendor, it’s likely costlier for the consumer.

 

[R1Tom]

Fair, but the bosch motor was a generic motor where as the Rivian's are a purpose built motor from the start. You see this with the ability to cool the motors between the two variants.

I do like that they partnered with Bosch to make the Quad a reality early on, but if you've watched a Munro teardown of the two, you see the immediate advantages of the Enduro/Ascent in terms of design and execution over the Bosch. My only gripe with the Enduro is the clutch. I wish they had gone with a similar tesla strategy of Permanent magnet full time motor and induction part time.

I see this generic vs purpose built comment often on this topic. Where the Bosch motors really just some off the shelf motor used in anything other than the Rivians? I am under the impression they also were purpose built for Rivian....but simply by Bosch to leverage the knowledge and ability to manufacture that Bosch brought to the table. Not that these are some fan motors, etc...that Rivian just slapped into a truck?

 

[White Shadow]

I’m going to sit this one out. I plan to enjoy my Gen 1 R1S for several more years. My next Rivian will be an R2 and when I eventually upgrade the R1, we might be talking about G4 or G5. By then I’d expect:

• Much longer range
• Much faster charging
• Much quieter ride
• Ability to power my house during a power grid outage

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[MXA121]

I like R1.2
Solidifies the R1 as the flagship model in their lineup. Wish it was cheaper, but that wouldn't be right.

Hmm, biggest downgrade of the platform seems to be the lights. Gen 1 lights are so rich in detail. The little ovals patterned throughout are gone, as is the amber blinker in the headlight. The new one still looks nice, and the sharper bar adds something, but still.

I like the door buttons, as my wife's car has them and it's way more convenient. They just 'pop' open, though, it has a manual release on all doors.

 

[usulio]

Not a downgrade but less of an upgrade than I'd thought -- curb weight. The batteries are that much smaller, along with all the wire removed and other stuff, but it sounds like only a 200 lb difference? Good but it would've been nice to get even lighter.

 

[usofrob]

Not a downgrade but less of an upgrade than I'd thought -- curb weight. The batteries are that much smaller, along with all the wire removed and other stuff, but it sounds like only a 200 lb difference? Good but it would've been nice to get even lighter.

It looks like the gen2 dual motor max is about 22 pounds lighter (according to the EPA document) than the gen1 dual motor ?large.

 

[RivianRunner]

I'm guessing it'll be another model year switch to lessen confusion with sales out of the shop.

A good argument could be to make the switch to NACS charge ports in the middle of the model year.

Specifically, there is going to be good demand for the refreshed vehicle anyway (people love to get the latest and greatest), even with people holding out for 2025 NACS equipped Rivians. If they find too many potential buyers are just waiting for vehicles with the NACS port, they can make the switch mid-model year. It's very possible as we get closer to the mass migration to NACS that vehicles with CCS charge ports will need to be discounted to find enough buyers.

I know I wouldn't buy an EV with only a CCS charge port right now, on the cusp of the switch to NACS, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel the same way. But Rivian should have strong demand for the refreshed models, even with CCS ports, through the middle/end of the year.

 

[RivianRunner]

Agree...I guess I was talking a significant accident or battery fire situation where mere seconds might matter.

Battery fires are rarely violent events. It takes minutes for the heat to build and engulf the car, not seconds. That's what can happen in a gas car. If gasoline is spilled, through either a ruptured tank or fuel line, gasoline can puddle and spread such that when it ignites, the whole thing erupts into a instant fireball.

Imagine the horror of being trapped in a crashed gas car and smelling the gasoline leaking all around you, just wondering when it was going to find an ignition source. EV's are so much safer, in so many ways.

 

[RivianRunner]

does anyone know why the ground clearance is slightly less?

I'm guessing they reduced the maximum half-shaft angles to reduce warranty expenses and issues owners were having with vibrations and noises. it might also save on component costs to have less articulation.

 

[RivianRunner]

Vehicles have to pass the SAE J2807 test. I find the R1T standard battery towing capacity being the same as the R1S a little suspect here.

Obviously, it's not the battery that is the limiting factor.

 

[RivianRunner]

And if TM is replacing QM, why is it way more expensive?

Because Rivian is not a charity?

It makes no sense to make a vehicle that you have to turn around and sell for less than it cost you make it.

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