Can we stop asking for CarPlay now? "The next generation of Apple CarPlay will take over all of the screens, sensors and gauges in a car..."

[jplblue]

From the Apple anti-trust suit:

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[Dark-Fx]

It'd probably work better than it does now. Big disadvantage now is needing to use both systems to do car functions. Of course if Apple's implementation doesn't actually fully replace every function then it'd probably be even more annoying to use.

 

[jjswan33]

I mean reading what I had of this complaint against I was literally laughing out loud.

“For example, if an iPhone user messages a non-iPhone user in Apple messages, the text appears not only as a green bubble, but incorporates limited functionality,” Garland added. “The conversation is not encrypted. Videos are pixelated and grainy, and users cannot edit messages or see typing indicators. As a result, iPhone users perceive rival smartphones as being lower quality because the experience of messaging friends and family who do not own iPhones is worse.”

The DOJ is also focusing on Apple’s smartwatch, Apple Watch, saying the company designed it to only work with iPhones, and not Android devices. The company’s decision means that “users who purchase the Apple Watch face substantial out-of-pocket costs if they do not keep buying iPhones,” according to the complaint.

In this case of Carplay, I think that wording is misleading. I am sure Apple said the next version 'could' do those things not 'will' do those things.

 

[jplblue]

It'd probably work better than it does now. Big disadvantage now is needing to use both systems to do car functions. Of course if Apple's implementation doesn't actually fully replace every function then it'd probably be even more annoying to use.

Perhaps, but what does Apple gain and what would Rivian have to give up?

 

[Dark-Fx]

I mean reading what I had of this complaint against I was literally laughing out loud.

“For example, if an iPhone user messages a non-iPhone user in Apple messages, the text appears not only as a green bubble, but incorporates limited functionality,” Garland added. “The conversation is not encrypted. Videos are pixelated and grainy, and users cannot edit messages or see typing indicators. As a result, iPhone users perceive rival smartphones as being lower quality because the experience of messaging friends and family who do not own iPhones is worse.”

The DOJ is also focusing on Apple’s smartwatch, Apple Watch, saying the company designed it to only work with iPhones, and not Android devices. The company’s decision means that “users who purchase the Apple Watch face substantial out-of-pocket costs if they do not keep buying iPhones,” according to the complaint.

In this case of Carplay, I think that wording is misleading. I am sure Apple said the next version 'could' do those things not 'will' do those things.

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[jjswan33]

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jjswan33 is confused

 

[Dark-Fx]

jjswan33 is confused

It's one of the stupid things that doesn't translate from an apple phone to others. Just sends messages like that with no clear context.

 

[emoore]

I mean reading what I had of this complaint against I was literally laughing out loud.

“For example, if an iPhone user messages a non-iPhone user in Apple messages, the text appears not only as a green bubble, but incorporates limited functionality,” Garland added. “The conversation is not encrypted. Videos are pixelated and grainy, and users cannot edit messages or see typing indicators. As a result, iPhone users perceive rival smartphones as being lower quality because the experience of messaging friends and family who do not own iPhones is worse.”

The DOJ is also focusing on Apple’s smartwatch, Apple Watch, saying the company designed it to only work with iPhones, and not Android devices. The company’s decision means that “users who purchase the Apple Watch face substantial out-of-pocket costs if they do not keep buying iPhones,” according to the complaint.

In this case of Carplay, I think that wording is misleading. I am sure Apple said the next version 'could' do those things not 'will' do those things.

Wow. That's insane. That's like saying they should sue Tesla because their chargers won't support multiple charge port locations.....

 

[jjswan33]

It's one of the stupid things that doesn't translate from an apple phone to others. Just sends messages like that with no clear context.

But is it anti-competitive behavior? Is the expectation that Apple has to provide IMessage Apps for every phone manufacturer and also share their encryption protocol?

In my view this was innovation by Apple, before IMessage the only SMS were stupid text messages that cost was set by the phone companies, and were often exorbitant relative to the amount of data they used.

 

[jjswan33]

Wow. That's insane. That's like saying they should sue Tesla because their chargers won't support multiple charge port locations.....

That is too specific, we should sue Tesla because they made it easier to charge their cars compared to competitors which gave them an unfair competitive advantage. Even now that their stations are partly open if we want discounted rates we have to go through Tesla, making the charging experience less seamless or more expensive than on a Tesla vehicle. /s

 

[kurtlikevonnegut]

But is it anti-competitive behavior? Is the expectation that Apple has to provide IMessage Apps for every phone manufacturer and also share their encryption protocol?

In my view this was innovation by Apple, before IMessage the only SMS were stupid text messages that cost was set by the phone companies, and were often exorbitant relative to the amount of data they used.

To be fair, I think Apple is in the wrong on the messaging front. Apple was clearly in the wrong by refusing to incorporate RCS for long after it was apparent that they should do it and the purpose behind doing so was clearly for anti-competitive reasons. I'm generally in favor of free market dynamics, but that move was just bush league (which is why they finally reversed their decision).

 

[lefkonj]

It isn't required to take over all screens and car function, just capable. There is a major difference there.

In my I4 CarPlay takes over the center screen for phone, music, text, navigation. If I want I can also have the CarPlay nav in the instrument cluster, but I don't have to do that.

 

[LiamM]

no

 

[jplblue]

It isn't required to take over all screens and car function, just capable. There is a major difference there.

In my I4 CarPlay takes over the center screen for phone, music, text, navigation. If I want I can also have the CarPlay nav in the instrument cluster, but I don't have to do that.

I don't think you can rely on how CarPlay works now to contradict what was included in the complaint (which I'd guess is based on statements provided to the DOJ by car manufacturers).

 

[vandy1981]

what would Rivian have to give up?

The ability to nickel-and-dime us for connected services and other features that are available through our phones and AA/CarPlay.

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