Cancelling my Pre-order, thoughts inside from test drive

[nc10]

• Above all, the lack of CarPlay/Android Auto is the biggest factor in my decision to cancel. The Rivian software is not better than CarPlay, and based on the other posts that I've read spanning years of Rivian software developments, I can comfortably say at this point that the speed of software iteration at Rivian is not confidence-inspiring.

Definitely a reason to choose not to order. Not a reason to cancel, the order was placing knowing there was no car play. (I'm a carplay fan, wish rivian had it) I have had a Rivian R1T for more than 4 years, the software development pace is pretty good, much better than most other EV mfrs.

Lack of accessories compared to Teslas.

Tesla models are a zillion years old. Seems completely unreasonable to expect a brand new model to have the same amount of 3d party addons. There was no chance the number of 3rd party options would be anywhere close to what you can get for Tesla's (ancient) models. Why order a new model if you want a wide range of 3d party odd ons on day 1?

The brake regen felt like I was hard braking even with the lightest and most careful manipulation of the accelerator pedal.

Its different, for sure. I love Rivian's one pedal driving. Completely frustrating to drive other vehicles that don't have it.

I really liked being able to set a speed in the cruise control with the +1 and +5 increments, but my Prius/Rav4 did a better job of that with the single pull down/push up for incremental speed changes in cruise control speed. The knobs method on the R2 felt worse from a UX perspective.

I'm sure if I got into a prius or Rav4 now, I would be frustrated by not having controls like Rivian's.

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[RivnSoon]

I've been told I'm the great minority on this one- I just don't care for AA/AC... what's is the point of mirroring my phone? Most time I know where I'm going and don't need to follow nav, I don't text much while driving either...Not a Tesla owner either to have a first hand experience with their native software, but I REALLY appreciate Rivian's native software, easy, intuitive, simple. I say that because I'm not a fan boy, but getting a real comparison with our recent ioniq 9- that vehicle is far better than Rivian in terms of ride, materials, battery, etc. But the software is absolute GARBAGE!

 

[Holler Wanderer]

I've been told I'm the great minority on this one- I just don't care for AA/AC... what's is the point of mirroring my phone? Most time I know where I'm going and don't need to follow nav, I don't text much while driving either...Not a Tesla owner either to have a first hand experience with their native software, but I REALLY appreciate Rivian's native software, easy, intuitive, simple. I say that because I'm not a fan boy, but getting a real comparison with our recent ioniq 9- that vehicle is far better than Rivian in terms of ride, materials, battery, etc. But the software is absolute GARBAGE!

I'm the same way. I also had an EV6 for a rental last weekend and hated the UI. It was terrible.

 

[takrdown]

You guys are killing me as I try to convince myself it makes sense to trade my perfect, trouble free i4 for the R2 I ordered.

Sorry about that lol. Honestly if you decided to keep your i4 I think that’s a perfectly good choice. It all depends on what you want for sure. I think that car is amazing but I wanted something I could go camping with and I wanted to be an early adopter as well and after having such a good experience with the BMW, I took the plunge and I have been happy since.

 

[CD1973]

Stick it under dash. No one can see it. Annoying, sure. Deal breaker? Not even remotely() close.

So about $60,000 for a car that does not have a feature used daily that a 21 year old car has....

 

[mkg3]

I'm going to make this post a list of all the things that led to my decision to cancel my pre-order. Hopefully this information will be read by someone who can use the information to make a better product in the future! My whole investigation into the Rivian software/hardware has essentially been a good-faith investigation into the brand.

• Above all, the lack of CarPlay/Android Auto is the biggest factor in my decision to cancel. The Rivian software is not better than CarPlay, and based on the other posts that I've read spanning years of Rivian software developments, I can comfortably say at this point that the speed of software iteration at Rivian is not confidence-inspiring. I don't want to wait for the Rivian software to "maybe someday" duplicate all the functions already present in CarPlay, when I can simply just use CarPlay right now. Below I'll list things that I cannot duplicate from CarPlay/AA within the Rivian software ecosystem:
  • HomeKit support for accessories (and Google/Alexa integrations on the Android side), especially a garage door opener. Granted, Rivian has the best implementation of this in their software because they emulate an old radio frequency based dumb-opener, but I need this functionality on day 1, at no charge.
  • Waze. I want the mapping software to have a social element to it. Waze essentially is a democratic service that allows for alerts that would otherwise be illegal/gray area if integrated into major mapping apps like Google Maps. I want to know where the speed cameras are, where obstructions are, and I want to hear from other drivers what they think about local roads, whether that info is "politically correct" or not.
  • Apple Music, Apple Podcasts, or whatever music app I want. I don't want to rely on Rivian software building an app. I want to be able to use any media app at all times.
  • Apple Maps is simply better than Google Maps for navigation. I use both Apple Maps and Google Maps, and Apple's maps generally are the most performant, and look the most polished. The old days of Apple Maps leading you off a cliff into a lake have been passed over by almost a decade now.
  • Personal wallpapers. I don't want to look at a large scale cartoon drawing of the car I'm already driving in. It's a lot like flying an American flag in America. "You're in America, so no need to state the obvious." I want customization.
  • I don't want to be "advertised" the brand at every turn in the software. CarPlay/AA does a fantastic job removing the car branding so I can have my own personal customization to make the car feel like "mine".
  • I'm able to write my own apps and use them in CarPlay.
  • I want the UI to have Glass-like transparency throughout.
  • Siri/Gemini/Alexa is leagues more reliable than any other assistant I've used, especially with personal context.
  • I rely on on-screen tapbacks for messages while driving.
  • App based ETA/location sharing (not text message based)
• Lack of accessories compared to Teslas. Almost all of the hardware/software features that Tesla doesn't support can be added with aftermarket parts. CarPlay/AA, auto presenting doorhandles, LED lightbar customizations, Sunroof covers, extra physical knobs (thanks in part to the extensibility support offered by the Tesla infotainment software), driver display, etc. Tesla Accessories. To be fair, Rivian does have accessories too, but they're not nearly as powerful as the competition, because of the lack of volume sales, and support by Rivian corporate.
• Lack of a 19" wheel option with the Launch Edition. I want to be able to maximize range, and to do that I need the smallest, lightest possible wheel. I asked about buying a set of 19" wheels, and I was told not to bother doing so by the salesperson.
• The Rivian infotainment software features that will be missing at launch. Never ever buy a product predicated on the promise of future software features. Also, if these basic features from the R1 can't make it to the R2 by launch, it'll take even longer for software features to be released based on customer feedback on the R2.
  • Rivian Assistant
  • Camping Mode
  • Garage Door support
  • Climate Hold
  • Pet Mode
  • Gear Guard will be present but with limited functionality.
• The halo wheels were awful outside of vertical scrolling; I just couldn’t get left and right clicks to trigger. The software integration with them was awful and I found myself not immediately understanding when I could go left/right/forward/backwards in a menu. Pressing into the wheels and pressing behind the wheels felt better than left/right clicks, but I wanted them to feel like the middle click on a mouse, and absolutely didn't feel that in my hands-on.
  • Scrolling with the wheels felt better than excellent. Definitely the best scroll wheel I’ve ever used in any product, ever.
• The lack of 2 pedal driving (forward creep) was unbelievably disappointing.
  • people coming from an ICE car are going to be disappointed by the lack of 2 pedal driving. Parking into a tight garage is also way harder without a coasting feature.
• The sales rep straight up couldn’t answer any intermediate level questions, and just seemed in a rush to get back to his desk in the empty waiting room. Not super confidence-inspiring service. These vehicles that are software defined need a rep dedicated to all the particulars, because if I can't find something in the software with my 20 years of software development, a non-tech person would be just lost.
• Super disappointed that there’s no option to delete the sunroof. I’d much much much prefer to have a metal roof. Here in the southwest, having a sunroof that can't be covered up is a huge loss.
  • besides the obvious heat-issues, getting a crack is a giant pane of glass on the roof is just not something I want to be possible. Here in the southwest, rocks fly at you all the time, and glass coverage isn't free anymore like it used to be with insurance.
• Autonomy+ issues
  • I couldn't get the car to switch lanes autonomously on my test drive (on excellent surface streets; I didn't have time to get on the highway to test it there)
  • I couldn't find an auto park function. I had to park the vehicle manually when I returned to the service center.
• Cruise control/driving dynamics
  • I really liked being able to set a speed in the cruise control with the +1 and +5 increments, but my Prius/Rav4 did a better job of that with the single pull down/push up for incremental speed changes in cruise control speed. The knobs method on the R2 felt worse from a UX perspective.
  • The brake regen felt like I was hard braking even with the lightest and most careful manipulation of the accelerator pedal. I simply couldn't come to a clean, limo-like stop like I can in my Lightning (which has 2 pedal, coasting mode enabled)
• The color choices were just awful. I wanted more bold color choices besides Catalina Cove and Borealis. Ideally, I'd want a watermelon green, but that's just me.
  • since these cars are made to order, there shouldn't be an issue with custom color selection if they're hand painted anyway
  • give me an RGB slider to customize the paint to whatever I want in the configurator (I'd be willing to pay extra for this)

First, most people here on the forum knows I am not a Rivian rah rah or fan boy.

Don‘t take this the wrong way. Your post really speaks to how uneducated you are about Rivian. There is nothing you’d listed other than lack of Accessories, which is expected for any new model vehicle, are new information.

Most people come to the forum to lean about the brand, the model and the issues that the vehicle might have. In the process, everything listed has been discussed for R1 and R2 vehicles.

My apologies in advance it this sound harsh - I don’t mean to be. It’s that there is nothing new here and construct of the thread implies there is some new information. We all know where Rivian is and what they offer. Clearly it is not for you and since you are/were deposit holder, there has been plenty of time to discover everything you’ve listed.

 

[Great Gatsby]

I've been told I'm the great minority on this one- I just don't care for AA/AC... what's is the point of mirroring my phone? Most time I know where I'm going and don't need to follow nav, I don't text much while driving either...Not a Tesla owner either to have a first hand experience with their native software, but I REALLY appreciate Rivian's native software, easy, intuitive, simple. I say that because I'm not a fan boy, but getting a real comparison with our recent ioniq 9- that vehicle is far better than Rivian in terms of ride, materials, battery, etc. But the software is absolute GARBAGE!

The whole text thing is puzzling to me. Do a lot of people out there really need to be answering text IMMEDIATELY all the time? While driving? My phone basically stays untouched and charging the whole time I'm driving.

But yes, software IMO can make or break a vehicle on the day to day experience. The EV9 I had was better on the quality front, but man was the software rough in comparison. Moved to Rivian and never cared for Carplay ever again.

I also don't get why it keeps coming up in a Rivian forum. They have never ever offered it and are still promising not to. It is not only a dead horse, but one that keeps getting dug up to beat up again. It's fascinating.

 

[Jeremy3292]

Summary:

If you want CarPlay buy an ICE vehicle or legacy auto EV. Rivian and Tesla don't need or want CarPlay. CarPlay is a legacy auto crutch.

 

[Thebandit]

Summary:

If you want CarPlay buy an ICE vehicle or legacy auto EV. Rivian and Tesla don't need or want CarPlay. CarPlay is a legacy auto crutch.

So tech-forward, leaving legacy automakers behind, future tech that I can't listen to music offline. Or listen to an audiobook. Or.... save waypoints in the map? Or open my garage door without clipping a big button to the visor?

I mean, I am 100% getting one but we can't pretend all these things are legacy nonsense that the future is leaving behind.

 

[Holler Wanderer]

I don't get the complaints about a garage door opener - it's built into the OS on Rivian?

 

[graytag]

Sorry about that lol. Honestly if you decided to keep your i4 I think that’s a perfectly good choice. It all depends on what you want for sure. I think that car is amazing but I wanted something I could go camping with and I wanted to be an early adopter as well and after having such a good experience with the BMW, I took the plunge and I have been happy since.

Thanks! Not your fault I'm neurotic. The i4 is fantastic in every way but my wants are the same as yours- how can I turn down an opportunity to be one of the first to own such a hot car as the R2 and I miss the ruggedness and camping with my old Wranglers and Bronco!

 

[Thebandit]

I don't get the complaints about a garage door opener - it's built into the OS on Rivian?

It's not available on the R2 yet, and as far as I know it hasn't been officially confirmed whether it will.

 

[Holler Wanderer]

It's not available on the R2 yet, and as far as I know it hasn't been officially confirmed whether it will.

Oh I wasn't aware. That seems stupid.

 

[Holler Wanderer]

Thanks! Not your fault I'm neurotic. The i4 is fantastic in every way but my wants are the same as yours- how can I turn down an opportunity to be one of the first to own such a hot car as the R2 and I miss the ruggedness and camping with my old Wranglers and Bronco!

This is why I own both My i4 is my DD and my Rivian is our hiking/camping/dog vehicle.

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