Nokian Outpost nAT Size?

[dmc94]

any of you R1T guys have photos of the 20" nATS?

any of you R1T guys have photos of the 20" nATS?

These are RivianTrackers' with Black Rhino wheels:

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[richpike]

any of you R1T guys have photos of the 20" nATS?

 

[EVTrukHog]

Thanks for the photos... they pass the eyeball test!

 

[onesoil]

Does anyone here have any experience running these Nokian’s in the snow? My dad just got them on his R1T at 21k miles after putting up with horrible noise on his Pirellis for the last 10k miles. The tires were very unevenly worn due to multiple botched alignments by Rivian (our local tire shop said they’ve never seen a vehicle as out of alignment as his was last week).

He loves them so far, and I plan to get them for my R1T when my truck is due. My truck has 15k miles, which I bought with just under 10k as a demo truck. I just rotated for the first time because the fronts were at 4/32, rears at 9/32, which surprised me because I NEVER use conserve, and I assume as a demo truck the tires were rotated at least once already. I decided to cross rotate (FR to RR, FL to RL, etc., changing the tires rotational direction) based on some recommendations on here about how to help mitigate the oppressive droning mine were starting to exhibit. This did seem to help tame the noise a decent bit, but after seeing these Nokians in person and hearing him sing their praises, I can’t wait to get a pair.

My plan had been to get some hakkapelitas for this winter and then Outpost nATs in the spring, but now I’m wondering if anyone has experience running these in real winter conditions. VT has been having more mild winters the last few years, but that still means several months of mud/frozen mud, slush, snow, ice, etc. (though a bit less snow and frozen hard pack/ice than I wish we had honestly).

My dad plans to run his year round, which I initially scoffed at (I’m a firm believer in having dedicated winter compounds for the cold months). After conducting a very un-scientific “poke and pinch” test on my dad’s new tires, I was surprised at how much softer the compound seems to be than the Pirellis—maybe they could be a true 4-season contender on our vehicles?

 

[Joseph D]

Does anyone here have any experience running these Nokian’s in the snow? My dad just got them on his R1T at 21k miles after putting up with horrible noise on his Pirellis for the last 10k miles. The tires were very unevenly worn due to multiple botched alignments by Rivian (our local tire shop said they’ve never seen a vehicle as out of alignment as his was last week).

He loves them so far, and I plan to get them for my R1T when my truck is due. My truck has 15k miles, which I bought with just under 10k as a demo truck. I just rotated for the first time because the fronts were at 4/32, rears at 9/32, which surprised me because I NEVER use conserve, and I assume as a demo truck the tires were rotated at least once already. I decided to cross rotate (FR to RR, FL to RL, etc., changing the tires rotational direction) based on some recommendations on here about how to help mitigate the oppressive droning mine were starting to exhibit. This did seem to help tame the noise a decent bit, but after seeing these Nokians in person and hearing him sing their praises, I can’t wait to get a pair.

My plan had been to get some hakkapelitas for this winter and then Outpost nATs in the spring, but now I’m wondering if anyone has experience running these in real winter conditions. VT has been having more mild winters the last few years, but that still means several months of mud/frozen mud, slush, snow, ice, etc. (though a bit less snow and frozen hard pack/ice than I wish we had honestly).

My dad plans to run his year round, which I initially scoffed at (I’m a firm believer in having dedicated winter compounds for the cold months). After conducting a very un-scientific “poke and pinch” test on my dad’s new tires, I was surprised at how much softer the compound seems to be than the Pirellis—maybe they could be a true 4-season contender on our vehicles?

This video helped me in my decision making process to answer the same question:

 

[richpike]

This video helped me in my decision making process to answer the same question:

Agreed. Great video and that channel does a really good job on tire tests.

-Rich

 

[onesoil]

This video helped me in my decision making process to answer the same question:

So what did you end up deciding? I did see this video, but it’s rare that we have nicely maintained cold hard-packed snowy roads such as this reviewer has the pleasure of driving on (incidentally, I’ve found this channel to be by far best I’ve found on YouTube for tire reviews and comparisons).

Our VT road crews must get a kickback from the salt industry because they salt dry roads if there’s even a forecast calling for snow. It turns everything into a slushy mess that they then wait forever to plow. I wish they’d just let it be snowy hard pack and/or plow more frequently without salting. With proper winter tires, cold snow/hard-pack is so much better than the slushy mess they turn all our snow into ? but I guess the theory is probably that they’d rather salt everything to slush and plow less often to reduce the wear and tear plowing has on our uneven, frost-heaved, dilapidated road surfaces (typically with poor/insufficient base aggregate layers to begin with).

/end VT road rant

 

[Joseph D]

So what did you end up deciding? I did see this video, but it’s rare that we have nicely maintained cold hard-packed snowy roads such as this reviewer has the pleasure of driving on (incidentally, I’ve found this channel to be by far best I’ve found on YouTube for tire reviews and comparisons).

Our VT road crews must get a kickback from the salt industry because they salt dry roads if there’s even a forecast calling for snow. It turns everything into a slushy mess that they then wait forever to plow. I wish they’d just let it be snowy hard pack and/or plow more frequently without salting. With proper winter tires, cold snow/hard-pack is so much better than the slushy mess they turn all our snow into ? but I guess the theory is probably that they’d rather salt everything to slush and plow less often to reduce the wear and tear plowing has on our uneven, frost-heaved, dilapidated road surfaces (typically with poor/insufficient base aggregate layers to begin with).

/end VT road rant

All fair points you bring up. My OEM 20" tires are still going strong after 22k miles, and will last for another 5-10k more. But these are at the top of my list for replacing them when that time comes, and I plan on going with 275 60 R20 when that does happen to keep the price and weight down.

 

[neva6]

I too am interested in the nATs as a 'do it all' tire even in Colorado winters where I usually get dedicated snow tires. I found this thread from a FJ/Toyota/Lexus forum where a guy had the nAT's on his truck for a full winter in Leadville, CO. It convinced me enough to go for it this year. I have the tires just delivered and will put them on a new set of MSW 20" wheels. I went with 275/60/R20
LT as I have the 21" Road tires and they are essentially the same diameter and won't require any recalibrating.

Read here:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/new-shoes-nokian-outpost-nat-lt275-65r18.1322759/page-5

 

[dmc94]

I too am interested in the nATs as a 'do it all' tire even in Colorado winters where I usually get dedicated snow tires. I found this thread from a FJ/Toyota/Lexus forum where a guy had the nAT's on his truck for a full winter in Leadville, CO. It convinced me enough to go for it this year. I have the tires just delivered and will put them on a new set of MSW 20" wheels. I went with 275/60/R20
LT as I have the 21" Road tires and they are essentially the same diameter and won't require any recalibrating.

Read here:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/new-shoes-nokian-outpost-nat-lt275-65r18.1322759/page-5

I have a set of Blizzak's which I used last year in Seattle. I felt a little silly as we had warmer weather, but they were nice on the slopes. They did stop in more than half the distance of the Pirelli's in a few tests. This year I will test out the Outposts so we'll see!

 

[richpike]

We put the nAT 275/65R20 on our R1S after the Pirellis were done. 500 miles in and couldn’t be happier. Quiet, aggressive, overall excellent tire. Only drawback is exactly what you’ve said - we dropped from 2.14 mi/kWh to 1.94. Less than 10%. IMHO, an excellent trade off for a far more aggressive tire, with ~50% more tread (18/32”). I didn’t want 33” tires, so I didn’t even consider the 115 version.

-Rich

Quick update. 1,000 miles in and my mi/kWh have increased. In fact, it’s above my overall average of the Pirellis - from 2.14 (Pirellis) to 2.15 (Nokians). Fairly small sample size, but feeling a little more optimistic the range hit may not be too bad.

-Rich

 

[dmc94]

Quick update. 1,000 miles in and my mi/kWh have increased. In fact, it’s above my overall average of the Pirellis - from 2.14 (Pirellis) to 2.15 (Nokians). Fairly small sample size, but feeling a little more optimistic the range hit may not be too bad.

-Rich

These are the LT 275/65R20 126/123 size correct?

 

[richpike]

These are the LT 275/65R20 126/123 size correct?

Correct.

-Rich

 

[MountainBikeDude]

So, managed 31,750 hard kilometres on my stock 20" Pirellis before Nokian finally caught up to demand and I was able to get some new shoes...

While the OEM's are good at being a decent all round tire, by then, the drone of the tires was starting to wear thin just like the tread. Just prior to the swap I was getting around 3.2km/kWh or 1.98mi/kWh which is what the vehicle expects as a baseline. My overall km/kWh however over their life is a bit skewed by sitting at ferry terminals frequently and running the climate while stationary which eats into the average efficiency.

Fast forward to the Nokians and so far so good, the tread is deaper, the tire brand has a fantastic winter pedigree and the fact they have a "Kevlar" lined core instills far more confidence off road than my often punctured Pirellis. Road noise while obviously better, likely just comes down to the lack of tread blocking remaining on my old tires vs the new ones, so to compare feels a bit biased.

So far on a couple short tests, I've managed 3.4/2.11 in All Purpose and 3.76/2.33 in Conserve Low. Both highway driving around 115kmh or 70mph.

For any interested, I was also considering Falken Wildpeaks and BFG K03's. I loved my last set of Wildpeaks for what it's worth, great in wet weather, off road, and in the snow. However considering the sharp rocks off road in BC, the fact that Pirelli and Falken are essentially the same company, and my poor luck with pirellis puncture wise, I decided it was time for a change.

 

[mcclajb]

Quick update. 1,000 miles in and my mi/kWh have increased. In fact, it’s above my overall average of the Pirellis - from 2.14 (Pirellis) to 2.15 (Nokians). Fairly small sample size, but feeling a little more optimistic the range hit may not be too bad.

-Rich

How has your efficiency been now that you’ve had a couple more months on the new tires?

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