Please stop asking for CarPlay - it’s terrible

[White Shadow]

Well, Ford has carplay and they've shut down the F-150 Lightning plant for 2 months due to lack of sales.

Ford should immediately remove Car Play and resume selling millions of Lightnings! LOL

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[VoodooRivian]

I want CarPlay. I have several cars and they all have CarPlay so it works the same in all of them.

 

[SwampNut]

Every time I hop in a rental vehicle and am forced

You've NEVER ever been forced to use that. Ever. You can say no.

Misinformation like this is why it's hard to take anyone seriously when they rail against a great feature which is optional.

 

[SwampNut]

Ford should immediately remove Car Play and resume selling millions of Lightnings! LOL

Yeah, that was the problem. Not that it's an old-think vehicle with a ridiculous number of buttons and ancient skeuomorphs.

 

[R1Tom]

I like Android Auto when I have to be in a rental because my Rivian is in for service. That is it for me. And I don't do Apple or my family will watch my every move. Android is my out on that front....I know that can be turned off but then I would have to answer why I turn that off....

 

[COdogman]

I've installed a lot of things in a lot of cars. The Rivian's internal plastic parts are the sharpest I've ever encountered. Weird.

One thing that should be considered on whether CP sucks or not, is that it simply sucks a lot less than not having it. I won't even opine on how much CP could be improved (ok I will...a lot), but the exeperience without it is horrible. It's 2024 and I can't reply to a text message using in-car commands? Doesn't that seem really ridiculous?

I understand why people like it. I just happen to believe what it offers isn't that useful to me. I don't text while driving at all. And I try my best to not take phone calls either. I'm a very busy person, like many others here, but when I'm driving I'm driving and if it can't wait until I get to my destination I just find a place to pull over to deal with it.

All the evidence shows that Carplay/ AA doesn't allow us to do those things any safer than other implementations. The only "safe" thing to do is not be distracted with other tasks while driving. So the fact that Rivian hasn't added it doesn't bother me either.

Yes, using apple or google navigation is nice, but Rivian's has improved over time despite what many say. Last weekend Google maps got us totally lost trying to find a location in Sacramento. So none of them are perfect. I like Waze, but it's also not safe to be reporting speed traps or road hazards while driving either.

I wish Rivian would add some sort of off roading map implementation like OnX or Gaia, but I will live with it if they don't. It's just not a feature that is so important to me I would allow it to affect a purchase decision...

 

[SwampNut]

All the evidence shows that Carplay/ AA doesn't allow us to do those things any safer than other implementations.

Yeah, no.

 

[SamDoe1]

I have CP/AA in my two other cars and I definitely don't miss it or want it in the Rivian. The integrated UI in the Rivian is far better than having two different systems for an infotainment. In order to switch between Apple music and radio I have to literally switch UI's and figure out how to swap back and forth. Then there's also the phone and map thing with the same issues as well.

The all in one system in the Rivian solves all of these issues and works really well.

I do get it if you don't have a UI like Rivian or Tesla then CP/AA would be mandatory. The iDrive in my BMW is garbage and whatever Subaru has is even worse.

 

[COdogman]

Yeah, no.

Use of any touchscreen while driving is unsafe. That is just a fact. Carplay/ AA do not change that.

 

[SwampNut]

Use of any touchscreen while driving is unsafe.

This is not only false, but a red herring since CP and Siri Eyes Free make it so you rarely need the screen at all. That's part of the point; and part of the misinformation that everyone is assuming and then working from.

 

[Zoidz]

Have you ever used Car Play? It's not the same as using an iPhone. In fact, the whole idea of Car Play is that you aren't using your phone at all. You're using your vehicle to access functionality of the apps on your phone.

The fact that they guy didn't even know that Car Play is implemented differently between vehicle makes just proves my point entirely. Otherwise, he wouldn't have posted a story about hopping into a rental car and experiencing Car Play for the first time and then making a blanket statement that it sucks. That's laughable at best....

I've used CarPlay. In my BMW, and in many rental cars over the past ~10 years. Not sure why you say it's not the same as using an iPhone. Yes, it's not identical, but it's fundamentally the same - that's the whole point of it. One common UI between multiple devices. Yes, apps have to be vetted and approved by Apple for the iPhone and there are restrictions on functionality. I get all that, I've read the developer guides for CarPlay.

 

[COdogman]

This is not only false, but a red herring since CP and Siri Eyes Free make it so you rarely need the screen at all. That's part of the point; and part of the misinformation that everyone is assuming and then working from.

So your argument is that Siri/ Carplay/ AA are safer than not being distracted by technology at all and just focusing on driving?

 

[SwampNut]

So your argument is that Siri/ Carplay/ AA are safer than not being distracted by technology at all and just focusing on driving?

No, it was not.

But, I will go ahead and add that too. It is, for many people. Similar to the argument about music in a helmet on a motorcycle. I have ADHD and what is "distraction" to some is focusing for me. If my workload is too low I become VERY unaware and distracted.

But no, I never said this to begin with, and you're once again throwing strawmen to beat down. Changing words is disingenuous.

 

[White Shadow]

Market research has shown only approximately 1 in 3 buyers demand Carplay/ AA. It’s not as popular as you make it sound. I would suggest that number is actually going down, not up.

So.....eliminating about a third of the population from purchasing your vehicle doesn't matter? Really? I'd think that's a problem, especially for a company trying to increase sales.

 

[Newtonrj]

Market research has shown only approximately 1 in 3 buyers demand Carplay/ AA. It’s not as popular as you make it sound. I would suggest that number is actually going down, not up.

Ugh, I'm not saying users or even myself 'Need' AA/CP. We know statistically 70% of new vehicles sold today have Satellite radio. 80% have AA/CP. Rivian has declared that AA/CP is not a thing but they have committed to Satellite radio. Why alienate the choice even if users of Rivian choose to use native apps and integration over AA/CP? Can everyone here declare that a supported AA/CP will get Zero/No/Notta use by any Rivian consumer? If it is even a minority that need AA/CP to push them to purchase, why the HE77 not?

I've certainly not seen or heard anyone arguing that Rivian's Apple Music, Tidal, Spotify & Audible are in all cases superior to AA/CP or are they simply just as good? We know definitively, there are more than 1.8MM apps available to AA/CP via connected phones. Rivian is +6 apps implemented today. We can agree there is a long runway for them to traverse to get a meaningful parity.

OR

How much software team resources would be needed to support two API sets (AA/CP) over Tidal, Apple Music, Spotify, Audible, YouTube, etc?

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