Todays rivian statement

[AllInev]

“We have been really very clear since day one that connectivity was offered as a free trial for our customers and that it eventually would be paid.”
- Bensaid Wassym, Chief Software Officer, Rivian

I see no problem with this statement. ?

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[momo3605]

I’m just a little bummed that Rivian didn’t extend any favors to early gen 1 adopters like how Tesla gave lifetime free supercharging and premium connectivity to everyone who purchased a car prior to the services becoming paid.

It would have been a nice gesture to loyal early customers amidst falling short on features like driver+ which they sold as capable of hands free and automatic lane changes up until the last minute when gen 2 came out, then they were like nvm, driver+ hardware was shit, it can’t do anything more.

 

[ElGuano]

These were never “favors for early adopters” in the way i think you are suggesting.

Tesla heavily marketed “free supercharging for life” and free premium connectivity to buyers in order to make the cars more attractive, they were 100% part of the promised package and sales pitch.

 

[electruck]

I’m just a little bummed that Rivian didn’t extend any favors to early gen 1 adopters like how Tesla gave lifetime free supercharging and premium connectivity to everyone who purchased a car prior to the services becoming paid.

It would have been a nice gesture to loyal early customers amidst falling short on features like driver+ which they sold as capable of hands free and automatic lane changes up until the last minute when gen 2 came out, then they were like nvm, driver+ hardware was shit, it can’t do anything more.

You seem to be overlooking that fact that Rivian extended a nearly $20k price reduction to early Gen 1 adopters. They shouldn't need to offer any other gestures.

 

[Zoidz]

I’m just a little bummed that Rivian didn’t extend any favors to early gen 1 adopters like how Tesla gave lifetime free supercharging and premium connectivity to everyone who purchased a car prior to the services becoming paid.

It would have been a nice gesture to loyal early customers amidst falling short on features like driver+ which they sold as capable of hands free and automatic lane changes up until the last minute when gen 2 came out, then they were like nvm, driver+ hardware was shit, it can’t do anything more.

Free charging would be nothing hamburger with no cheese for most Rivian owners. Most are hours away from an SC, let alone from a RAN charger.

 

[momo3605]

You seem to be overlooking that fact that Rivian extended a nearly $20k price reduction to early Gen 1 adopters. They shouldn't need to offer any other gestures.

Well I’d argue the R1 is too expensive now. Most of us wouldn’t have bought one for $95k. And as can be seen by the Friends and Family and now conquest/loyalty and referral offers. I think most of the markets sees it that way. Majority of R1s are being leased now

 

[electruck]

Well I’d argue the R1 is too expensive now. Most of us wouldn’t have bought one for $95k. And as can be seen by the Friends and Family and now conquest/loyalty and referral offers. I think most of the markets sees it that way. Majority of R1s are being leased now

Well, that's a completely different issue altogether. Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean Rivian owes you additional freebies. As for being too expensive, Rivian is still struggling to reach positive gross profit per vehicle and that's with price increases and cost-cutting measures.

 

[momo3605]

Well, that's a completely different issue altogether. Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean Rivian owes you additional freebies. As for being too expensive, Rivian is still struggling to reach positive gross profit per vehicle and that's with price increases and cost-cutting measures.

My point is that my 2 year old R1T that was $95k that I supposedly got for a "discount" at $75k is now worth $50k. That doesn't really feel like a valuable "gesture". And that discount doesn't even MEAN anything as the company would've gone bankrupt if they tried to sell cars for more than that early pre-order price. As someone posted above free RAN would barely cost them anything since they are out of the way from most people, but still a feel good thing. I don't know why Premium Connectivity is so expensive either (50% more than what tesla charges) when the majority of high bandwidth video streaming features aren't released yet either. Driver+ and ADAS was thrown aside. You see how many people have been calling out tesla, suing in small court, etc for false claims about FSD. You read the forums, people are PISSED. You don't see that here, no one seems to care to hold Rivian accountable for bait and switching us on Driver+.
It's just blow after blow. I don't feel any pride in being an early buyer, other than my car has been to the service center way more than all you new people ?

 

[ElGuano]

I'm not sure what the argument here is. Rivian doesn't control depreciation, at least not directly. And the premium connectivity is pretty expensive, but Rivian accessories are generally priced higher than Tesla to begin with, likely because of scale. Also, I think you can do more with Connect+ (hotspot for one).

And OP didn't mention anything about Driver+ or autonomy, they basically made the (mistaken, imho) assumption that Connect+ was always going to be perpetually free, which was never the case in reality. Maybe Driver+ would have been a better argument there.

 

[RivAW]

You don’t need Connect+ for ‘data access to music streaming apps’, so that is an unreasonable assumption.

Uh..yes you do unless a) your free trial has not expired or b) you use your phone as a hotspot for your vehicle or c) you stream music from your phone through Bluetooth to your vehicle ……

 

[RivAW]

My point is that my 2 year old R1T that was $95k that I supposedly got for a "discount" at $75k is now worth $50k. That doesn't really feel like a valuable "gesture". And that discount doesn't even MEAN anything as the company would've gone bankrupt if they tried to sell cars for more than that early pre-order price. As someone posted above free RAN would barely cost them anything since they are out of the way from most people, but still a feel good thing. I don't know why Premium Connectivity is so expensive either (50% more than what tesla charges) when the majority of high bandwidth video streaming features aren't released yet either. Driver+ and ADAS was thrown aside. You see how many people have been calling out tesla, suing in small court, etc for false claims about FSD. You read the forums, people are PISSED. You don't see that here, no one seems to care to hold Rivian accountable for bait and switching us on Driver+.
It's just blow after blow. I don't feel any pride in being an early buyer, other than my car has been to the service center way more than all you new people ?

Stop your crying…Geez.
There was no bait and switch as they were open and honest about their intentions from the start (even if you were ignorant about it). Also, you didn’t get any “discount”, you got to take advantage of a poorly timed price increase that was rolled back due to customer backlash ….and then suffered somewhat “normal” depreciation

 

[momo3605]

Stop your crying…Geez.
There was no bait and switch as they were open and honest about their intentions from the start (even if you were ignorant about it). Also, you didn’t get any “discount”, you got to take advantage of a poorly timed price increase that was rolled back due to customer backlash ….and then suffered somewhat “normal” depreciation

Exactly! Which is why it’s not a “gesture”. I’m not thanking Rivian for not charging me $95k. No one would’ve taken their pre-orders for that much.

But anyway you’re right. Rivian did everything right. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. I’ve made my point, I’ll step out for some fresh air now ?

 

[josh0]

Uh..yes you do unless a) your free trial has not expired or b) you use your phone as a hotspot for your vehicle or c) you stream music from your phone through Bluetooth to your vehicle ……

Exactly…

Connect+ is not necessary for ‘data access to streaming apps’.

 

[SANZC02]

Exactly! Which is why it’s not a “gesture”. I’m not thanking Rivian for not charging me $95k. No one would’ve taken their pre-orders for that much.

But anyway you’re right. Rivian did everything right. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. I’ve made my point, I’ll step out for some fresh air now ?

I was planning on still making my purchase before they announced they would honor the original estimated price.

I feel like I stole my R1S, adjusted for inflation it was well below what I paid for a rear wheel drive Model S in 2016.

I actually think based on specs of the G1 Quads that the price of the new tri motor and quad motor vehicles are much closer to where I expected mine to be when I placed my reservation back in 2020 before the pricing was announced.

 

[COdogman]

My point is that my 2 year old R1T that was $95k that I supposedly got for a "discount" at $75k is now worth $50k. That doesn't really feel like a valuable "gesture". And that discount doesn't even MEAN anything as the company would've gone bankrupt if they tried to sell cars for more than that early pre-order price. As someone posted above free RAN would barely cost them anything since they are out of the way from most people, but still a feel good thing. I don't know why Premium Connectivity is so expensive either (50% more than what tesla charges) when the majority of high bandwidth video streaming features aren't released yet either. Driver+ and ADAS was thrown aside. You see how many people have been calling out tesla, suing in small court, etc for false claims about FSD. You read the forums, people are PISSED. You don't see that here, no one seems to care to hold Rivian accountable for bait and switching us on Driver+.
It's just blow after blow. I don't feel any pride in being an early buyer, other than my car has been to the service center way more than all you new people ?

Your comparisons are not even close to the same thing being discussed about Rivian. Tesla promising its customers functioning FSD for years and charging them for it is not the same as Rivian giving you early pricing then going through the same depreciation that all vehicles go through. Rivian doesn't control the auto sales market or the economy it functions in.

Amazing how you are saying the big discount "doesn't mean anything" because they would have gone out of business by attempting to charge more (speculation), yet you are claiming them giving away free RAN charging (they did) "wouldn't cost them anything" (Speculation).

If you don't like your vehicle and don't like the company or the big discount they gave you, just trade it in on something you can "take pride in"

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