Driver+ Not up to current Spec - A Deal Breaker (?)

[AllInev]

I just want simple adaptive cruise and lane keep assist. They can keep doing whatever they want with Driver+

I feel the same way.

When driving with others, I’m always surprised how few people even use old-school cruse control on long trips considering it’s been around for 50+ years.

I’d blame it on the fact that I drive around with “old” people, but even my 20 year old daughter and friends don’t seem to use it.

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[crashmtb]

Personally, in my usage in the places where lane cantering would be handy, which is 600km of trans canada highway with zero turns, every system I’ve used has been nervous at best due to what happens to road markings here.

I suspect rivian’s implementation will become more diverse by 2h 2023, but I’ll just be happy to have adaptive cruise ?

 

[rraj2k81]

Meh, I don’t care. Poor implementation is worse than none. Adaptive cruise control is great but I find the lane keeping features to be only quasi-capable gimmicks.

Also, to correct your chart, my polestar 2 changes lanes with pilot.

Was this a new add on, because when I test drove one early 2021, it didn't have auto lane change.

Not complaining, I am glad it has this feature.

 

[rraj2k81]

"Based on this Rivian is the least advanced ADAS system on the market and personally for me this is a big deal breaker,"

If it is a deal breaker, then you cancelled your order by now, right?

I didnt read through 3 pages of posts, but that seems like what you said the outcome should be....so is it?

Yes, I did cancel my order and re-instated it once they reverted their price mistake, you are welcome BTW!

And now I have a free pre-order reservation that I have no issues waiting and seeing till the late half of 2023 before I decide If I want one or not.

 

[Davethadog]

Was this a new add on, because when I test drove one early 2021, it didn't have auto lane change.

Not complaining, I am glad it has this feature.

Might be, idk I have a 22. It’s kind of hidden, you just hit the indicator and it VERY slowly moves over, but the light for the lane keeping indication does go off so I can see how someone might not know.

 

[RWerksman]

I disagree. Rivian set the expectations.

Have you read about Driver+ lately? The website clearly states it is a "hands free" system. The phrasing is important.

It does not say that it "will" be hands free... Or that it will be"upgraded" or "improved" to hands free. The website says it "delivers" a hands free system and comes standard on every vehicle.

You can't blame customers for being disappointed that Rivian set the expectation.

At the very least, Rivian should update the website to be more accurate.

This, 100%. If you're advertising the system as BEING this, it should BE this. This feature statement on the website is obviously incorrect and arguably deceptive.

I know we all want our trucks and for Rivian to succeed, but the statement isn't acceptable, and they need to correct it and provide guidance as to when it will be able to achieve this level.

In regard to the system in it's current state, I don't believe it's a deal breaker for most people, but it's absolutely a disappointment between what has been discussed when folks put deposits down in the past. (e.g. Lidar and L3 autonomous driving)

 

[rraj2k81]

Might be, idk I have a 22. It’s kind of hidden, you just hit the indicator and it VERY slowly moves over, but the light for the lane keeping indication does go off so I can see how someone might not know.

That's probably why I never experienced it, I guess. It's a very measured system and I changed lanes quicker than the system. But good to know it does have the feature.

 

[E.S.]

Science does not agree with you. ACC+LKAS has proven to keep people responsive longer on journeys. It’s amazing how reducing fatigue just a little keeps reaction times from being impacted.

It doesn't have to agree with me. As someone that take trips in a Bolt, I haven't felt that fatigue while driving. I do take advantage to rest up while I charge the vehicle (which is probably why I don't feel that fatigue during driving). But I guess at this point this is different strokes for different folks.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

Might be, idk I have a 22. It’s kind of hidden, you just hit the indicator and it VERY slowly moves over, but the light for the lane keeping indication does go off so I can see how someone might not know.

That isn’t auto lane-change. What you’re doing is manually using the turn signal, which temporarily disengages the LKAS, then you’re drifting across the lane marking, and when the LKAS re-engages it “snaps” you into the lane.

‘’Auto lane change would be the vehicle changing lanes in an automated fashion — either entirely automatically, or being invoked through a user action. This may sound subtle, but it is quite different from disengaging, drifting, then re-engaging.

 

[nc10]

Does anyone feel like Driver+ is very limited or is everyone OK with it as is?

Yes, I agree, the current state of Driver+ is disapponting. I expect Rivian will be dinged for this gap more in reviews as "non enthusiasts" test the vehicle. It is not a "deal breaker" for me, but will definitely need to be addressed to help Rivian grow market share enough to justify even the current stock price.

Fingers crossed that this will be like the surround camera view added in recent updates, and we'll be presently surprised soon.

 

[DuckTruck]

I was crushed when I first saw the Rivian and realized how much of the "Driver Assist" and navigational technology might not be available until "later OTA updates". "Crap!" I thought. "How long until they fix this?!" Undaunted, I pulled myself up off of the floor and opened the "Driver's" door. Oh my God! I was so relieved when my keen vision immediately noticed that they had the foresight and genius to include not only a steering wheel, but, count 'em, TWO PEDALS!

Hallelujah! My 50 years of hands-on experience behind several of these devices was finally going to pay off! I'm not kidding when I say I really do look forward to the day when all of the wonderful technology arrives to allow us a better experience, but I also look forward to having the bugs fully worked out before-hand.

Do I wish all the cool tech was already here? Absolutely! Do I wish other EV manufacturers had worked theirs out before testing the survivability of their enthusiastic early adopters, those whose cars became accidental Roadsters by playing Limbo with trailers that their cars failed to "see"? Again, absolutely!

It'd be great if the R1 lineup was the most technologically savvy vehicle ever upon delivery, but mine is the DuckTruck, not the GuineaPigRig. I'd rather be safe than sautéed.

Sorry, but I'm getting kinda dizzy on top of my soapbox....?‍?

 

[Joel]

Was this a new add on, because when I test drove one early 2021, it didn't have auto lane change.

Not complaining, I am glad it has this feature.

It does not have auto lane change. It is suspected to in the Polestar 3. But the polestar 2 is the same as all current volvos that have pilot. One can manually change lanes and the Pilot will resume automatically. But it is also not hands free.

 

[SuperFan86]

We were extremely early Tesla M3 owners, and our vehicle came with was at that time called "enhanced autopilot" (later "FSD Capable").

The functionality for the first 6 months was extremely similar to what Rivian is offering with Driver+, but the features improved over time. Eventually updates started to take major leaps as vehicles hit the roads and they had data to process.

I have no doubt that Rivian plans to do the same as Tesla, logging real world miles that will allow meaningful updates to come. In a year with 25k vehicles talking back to the mothership, the Drive+ team will have mountains of data to improve algorithms and push new features.

We are early adopters. Like it or not, features and changes will come down the road that we don't get, but those wouldn't be possible if we hadn't been willing to pioneer with Rivian.

 

[jjswan33]

It does not have auto lane change. It is suspected to in the Polestar 3. But the polestar 2 is the same as all current volvos that have pilot. One can manually change lanes and the Pilot will resume automatically. But it is also not hands free.

For what it’s worth my EV6 has the auto lane changes on certain highways. I find it kinda weird. While I like the idea, 50% of the time it either complains that I engaged the steering wheel and disengages the lane change or it yells at me to put my hands on the wheel, seems like a delicate balancing at least.

I‘m sure other models have been implementation though.

 

[Blakeney]

As per the original description, Driver+ would only be available in certain HWYs (mapped routes), which would enable Auto Steer/Lane Centering with Adaptive Cruise Control. Which I thought was a very limited system and had thought would be upgraded when in production to be in line with all the current ADAS implementations.

But now seeing all the reviews I am kind of disappointed that they stuck to their original version, and when you compare it to most if not all the ADAS implementations, Driver+ is outdated. The fact that it is only a Dynamic Cruise Control on all roads is no better than what I have in my 10-year-old car.

For comparison, here is what is out in the market right now,

ADAS System	Autosteer/Lane Centering	Adaptive Cruise Control	Lane Changes	Hands Free
Tesla Autopilot	X	X	-	-
Tesla Autopilot w FSD	X	X	X	-
BMW Driver Professional	X	X	X	-
Ford Co-Pilot 360	X	X	-	-
Ford CP360 w Blue Cruise	X	X	-	X (Limited to mapped HWY)
Polestar Pilot Assist	X	X	X	-
Hyundai/KIA HDA	X	X	-	-
Hyundai/KIA HDA2	X	X	X (Mapped HWY)	-
Rivian	-	X	-	-
Rivian Driver+	X (Limited to mapped HWY)	X	-	-

Based on this Rivian is the least advanced ADAS system on the market and personally for me this is a big deal breaker, because one of the technological advancements I am looking for in my next car is an advanced ADAS system, and at the moment Rivian is not it.

Feels like Rivian built this system to be hands free from grounds up, but like everything Rivian they did not execute this plan, so instead of planning on developing the 'true' hands free tech (internal cameras, sensors to monitor eye/head placement), they delayed it, kept the Autosteer/Lane Centering, and limited it to mapped HWYs.

Hopefully, since I am not expected to get my R1S till 2023, I am really hoping they make upgrades to Driver+, or at least disable the 'Mapped' HWY restriction for Autosteer and allow it for all roads.

Does anyone feel like Driver+ is very limited or is everyone OK with it as is?

I do not like buying vehicles with 'future feature' promises and buy them based on what is being offered when I buy it.
Because there is no guarantee when these features would be made available or when they would be made available.

My Kia telluride has lane keep assist, adaptive cruise and is hands free. Touch with my knee once every few mins and continues to drive. Works pretty great actually and doesn’t ping pong between the lines even taking curves and bends.
Would hate to pay so much for my R1S and lose functionality.

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