GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

[SASSquatch]

Until my Rivian gets boat mode and I can float it across the Atlantic and use European CCS (which is a different plug) the worldwide metic doesn't really matter to me. But until then I’m only interested in the chargers that I can actually use. Right now thats CCS in North America, but hopefully that’s not the case soon (waiting for Rivian’s announcement). CCS in North America is dead.

7.5 Billion dollars from the federal government, which has stated that the chargers developed from it MUST INCLUDE CCS says otherwise.

Edit: 1.8 Billion not 7.5 Billion.

Cheers.

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[SDEVOwner]

Not all lightning accessories are MFi certified. The better ones are, but many are not.

All Lightning accessories approved by Apple are MFi certified. Third parties have figured out how to implement charging cables and some other accessories without paying Apple for certification. Apple has patents they could enforce against these third parties. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don’t bother. The counterfeit Lightning connector market is so large and dominated by foreign companies that stopping all of them is like playing whack-a-mole.

 

[RWerksman]

7.5 Billion dollars from the federal government, which has stated that the chargers developed from it MUST INCLUDE CCS says otherwise.

Cheers.

That's not all for DCFC. I think it's only 1.8B of the 7.5B or something like that.

Anyway, carry on...

 

[COdogman]

All Lightning accessories approved by Apple are MFi certified. Third parties have figured out how to implement charging cables and some other accessories without paying Apple for certification. Apple has patents they could enforce against these third parties. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don’t bother. The counterfeit Lightning connector market is so large and dominated by foreign companies that stopping all of them is like playing whack-a-mole.

I agree. The original point was that lightning cables were somehow like Tesla plugs. I was simply pointing out how that wasn’t an accurate comparison.

 

[SASSquatch]

That's not all for DCFC. I think it's only 1.8B of the 7.5B or something like that.

Anyway, carry on...

Thank you for pointing that out. I will make the edit.

 

[DuoRivians]

Thank you for pointing that out. I will make the edit.

NEVI funding is $5 billion over 5 years. Must provide a minimum of 150kw speed and ccs access

 

[Autolycus]

Now that NACS is the clear standard

Well that's definitely getting ahead of things. Here are 2022 car sales number by brand, totaled by Tesla-Ford-GM and Everybody Else (still in CCS camp as of this comment):

Tesla gang: 4,330,874
Non-Tesla gang: 7,471,012

Tesla obviously sells the most EVs in the US, but Hyundai/Kia and VAG are doing very well in the EV segment compared to everybody else. They both have significant interests in CCS because that's the standard in all of their other major markets.

 

[emoore]

EA is already doing that

Really? Haven’t seen or heard of that.

 

[SASSquatch]

That's not all for DCFC. I think it's only 1.8B of the 7.5B or something like that.

Anyway, carry on...

According to this website, it looks like 5 Billion is allocated for DCFC. Am I reading it wrong?

https://www.chargepoint.com/incentives/nevi

 

[RWerksman]

According to this website, it looks like 5 Billion is allocated for DCFC. Am I reading it wrong?

https://www.chargepoint.com/incentives/nevi

I might have gotten that from CuthelineKyle on the InsideEVs podcast today.

 

[MP3Mike]

I’ll believe ccs is dead when EA or another charging company starts installing the Tesla plug.

While they haven't started yet, in the last few days many have announced that they will start "soon": AmpUp, Blink, EVpassport, FreeWire, FLO, EVgo, and ABB. (Well ABB isn't a CPO, they just provide the equipment for CPOs like EA.)

There will likely be more announcements made at EVS36, which is June 11-14.

 

[emoore]

While they haven't started yet, many have announced that they will just in the last few days: AmpUp, Blink, EVpassport, FreeWire, FLO, EVgo, and ABB. (Well ABB isn't a CPO, they just provide the equipment for CPOs like EA.)

Ok. So they haven’t.

 

[MP3Mike]

Ok. So they haven’t.

Well EVgo has had NACS available for a long time via a built-in CHAdeMO adapter.

And EVpassport seems to be saying they have some 95kW NACS/CCS chargers installed:

 

[MountainRatMatt]

Um....There are nearly 80,000 CCS charging stations worldwide vs 45,000 Tesla Superchargers. CCS is not dying and it isn't going anywhere.

And guess what. The Tesla Superchargers in Europe all use a CCS cable. Because CCS is the worldwide standard.

"All V3 Superchargers in Europe feature single-cable CCS technology that is compatible with every Model 3, Model Y and Model S or Model X"

https://www.charin.global/technology/dashboard/

Yes but you have to run the numbers only for North America not the world. CCS is and will continue be the Tesla standard overseas.

I think the writing is on the wall for the North America now.

 

[azbill]

EA is already doing that

EVGO is doing that, not EA. EVGO has had the NACS plugs for a few years, because the protocol is actually the same as Chademo, it has not been "proprietary".

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