Top 5 Reasons Switching to a Tesla Dominated NACS Standard is a Colossal Mistake for the Consumer

[Jason]

This is all just about the connector and wire, right? You wouldn't HAVE to use Superchargers (even though they are so much better). Tesla wouldn't have any control over your vehicle either, its just a physical connector.

This also doesn't stop EA, EVGo, Chargepoint, and others from using NACS at all.

Does anyone here have a CCS vehicle AND a Tesla, and prefers to use CCS? I can't imagine why, the CCS connector is just no where near as easy to use, nor is it as reliable. If anyone prefers using the CCS connector, please let me know why. I am also not a fan of Elon's antics, but I really prefer using the Tesla connector, and I have an R1T and Model Y.

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[cdub]

We need to have this circular argument in another thread? ?‍

 

[Dark-Fx]

Wow some are sure passionate about this! I’ve never once pondered who was profiting from the handle at the gas station. Gas is gas and electrons are electrons, we just need an easy efficient way to get them in the car.

The market will sort this out, and it’s starting to look like the market has spoken. If you don’t like Tesla, don’t go to a supercharger. Easy.

I wonder how many here arguing against this will forget all about it in a couple years and secretly be using superchargers for road trips because they don’t want to waste time with the “other guys”.

Has anyone stopped to think that the "NACS" connector looks an awful lot like a phallus? Maybe that's why so many people are obsessed with it.

I for one plan on using one of these.

 

[Dark-Fx]

100% agree. Why are folks getting all upset just because it's Tesla. Did anyone stop filling up from BP when they dumped all that Crude in GOM? No.

I did.

 

[NineElectrics]

Does anyone here have a CCS vehicle AND a Tesla, and prefers to use CCS? I can't imagine why, the CCS connector is just no where near as easy to use, nor is it as reliable. If anyone prefers using the CCS connector, please let me know why. I am also not a fan of Elon's antics, but I really prefer using the Tesla connector, and I have an R1T and Model Y.

I’ve used both extensively. The Tesla adapter is smaller and easier to use. On the other hand, it lets the car lock the charger, which means that someone can’t switch the plug to their own car in shared charger situations (workplace, mainly) where a car has finished charging and the owner is out to lunch. This is designed to prevent theft of the charger. I don’t remember if the behavior is the same at Superchargers, but there it matters less because the cable can’t reach another car, anyway.

 

[NineElectrics]

The main argument against NACS is twofold, in my mind:

1. Electrify America and other charging networks have a hard enough time dealing with CCS plus Chademo. Adding a third is going to add cost.
2. Tesla Superchargers are massively overbooked in California. Hour long waits are common in some situations. It’s not great. And I suspect Tesla is going to gouge non-Tesla owners with high rates. Now everyone is going to have to buy an adapter which further adds costs to an EV purchase. I would like to use Superchargers, but not have NACS be the default in the car.

 

[Joel]

The statute doesn't specify the connector, but the implementing regs most definitely do specify CCS1 (formally called CCS Type 1).



As the White House said yesterday, funds can go to stations with ports other than CCS1, but any station built with funds must work with any CCS vehicle and must include a permanently attached CCS1 connector on at least 4 pedestals. It's not clear if funds can be used on 80% of the full cost of something like a 16-pedestal site with just 4 CCS1 plugs.


You've never had to worry about it because Ford doesn't own half of the gas stations, charge more for a Jeep to fill up than a Ford, and control every aspect of the pump even at stations it doesn't own..

Does anyone know for a fact that Tesla charges more for non-Tesla vehicles. I know that in some states rates change by time of day and when a session started. Elon is a capitalists and who is to say that EA and all the other charging companies won’t add NACS.

Also, it seems a lot of people here forget that up until last year VW Group owned EA. They also started EA as part of the payment for dieselgate. At one point there were some smart financial people who figured out that after a specific amount of time VW group would have made enough profit off EA to pay the penalty for dieselgate.

 

[DuoRivians]

This is all just about the connector and wire, right? You wouldn't HAVE to use Superchargers (even though they are so much better). Tesla wouldn't have any control over your vehicle either, its just a physical connector.

This also doesn't stop EA, EVGo, Chargepoint, and others from using NACS at all.

Does anyone here have a CCS vehicle AND a Tesla, and prefers to use CCS? I can't imagine why, the CCS connector is just no where near as easy to use, nor is it as reliable. If anyone prefers using the CCS connector, please let me know why. I am also not a fan of Elon's antics, but I really prefer using the Tesla connector, and I have an R1T and Model Y.

I have both and think using either connector is super straightforward. It’s not hard at all.

 

[DuoRivians]

Does anyone know for a fact that Tesla charges more for non-Tesla vehicles. I know that in some states rates change by time of day and when a session started. Elon is a capitalists and who is to say that EA and all the other charging companies won’t add NACS.

Also, it seems a lot of people here forget that up until last year VW Group owned EA. They also started EA as part of the payment for dieselgate. At one point there were some smart financial people who figured out that after a specific amount of time VW group would have made enough profit off EA to pay the penalty for dieselgate.

Yes, Tesla charges non-Teslas more with magic dock unless you pay a monthly subscription fee to Tesla

 

[Autolycus]

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Does anyone know for a fact that Tesla charges more for non-Tesla vehicles. I know that in some states rates change by time of day and when a session started. Elon is a capitalists and who is to say that EA and all the other charging companies won’t add NACS.

Also, it seems a lot of people here forget that up until last year VW Group owned EA. They also started EA as part of the payment for dieselgate. At one point there were some smart financial people who figured out that after a specific amount of time VW group would have made enough profit off EA to pay the penalty for dieselgate.

I’m not a big fan of EA either, but they don’t control the CCS standard, they have an semi-independent board, and we know they don’t favor VW in any way with their network. If the supercharger network were an independently-run company that controlled the Tesla charge port, and had demonstrated consistent and binding neutrality with respect to the vehicle manufacturers, I’d feel a lot better about “NACS”.

 

[azbill]

NACS is capable of 1000 v

Capable, but zero stations in the US currently support it.

 

[Guy]

The main argument against NACS is twofold, in my mind:

1. Electrify America and other charging networks have a hard enough time dealing with CCS plus Chademo. Adding a third is going to add cost.
2. Tesla Superchargers are massively overbooked in California. Hour long waits are common in some situations. It’s not great. And I suspect Tesla is going to gouge non-Tesla owners with high rates. Now everyone is going to have to buy an adapter which further adds costs to an EV purchase. I would like to use Superchargers, but not have NACS be the default in the car.

Why is Chademo being supported in this day and age?

 

[docwhiz]

How many Tesla chargers function at 1000v?

There are several for the Tesla semi.
Others will be added as needed.
How many CCS chargers function at 1000v?

 

[NineElectrics]

Why is Chademo being supported in this day and age?

To support aging LEAFs. I don’t really want a repeat of that clusterfuck with CCS/NACS.

 

[Joel]

To support aging LEAFs. I don’t really want a repeat of that clusterfuck with CCS/NACS.

If every EA station currently has two cables and only one can be used at a time seems like an easy cable change.

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