? Rivian Adopts Tesla NACS Standard! (Adapters in 2024, Standard Charging Port in 2025)

[Ozmt]

Tesla already have the adapter on their magic Dock. All they need to do is mass produce it. !

Not quite the same as a portable adapter but I do agree that someone needs to make one soon

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[Zorg]

Tesla peeps are going to be pissed lol

I own both a Tesla and a R1T. I am ecstatic

 

[McBogey]

There are way more EV charging stations than gas stations…. I got 2 in my garage. Many people have home charging stations which is essentially just private gas stations.

The amount of gas station vs public charging stations is an irrelevant argument as you don’t need remotely close to the number of public charging stations as you do gas stations. You combine Tesla and the other public fast chargers you don’t need a huge amount more of them.

Agreed, thus the qualifier that it’s not apples-apples. But there are other factors in the math that I don’t know. E.g., It takes a lot longer to charge than to gas up, so while fewer trips to the public charger, the stays are longer. So does that mean we need more stalls to avoid waits? Also, battery range isn’t as far as gas tank range, so EV’s will have to stop more often than ICE. How does that affect the charger:gas pump ratio? There’s an optimization algorithm in there somewhere.

Just making a case that there is likely demand (and money to be made) in the EV charging sector still. I might be wrong. Didn’t think it was an irrelevant comparison.

 

[MP3Mike]

The magic dock is just for research and development to see what changes must be made to make NACS an open standard in order for Tesla to qualify for government funding. As of right now, it does not qualify because every vehicle cannot charge on Tesla supercharges while every vehicle can charge at CCS charges.

Even if Superchargers were open to all they still wouldn't qualify for NEVI funding. There are lots of requirements that aren't currently met, but the main one is the same one that excludes RAN sites: minimum power level per stall are too low. (75-100kW for most Superchargers, 100kW for RAN vs. the 150kW minimum for NEVI funding.)

I don't think Tesla is going to go after NEVI funding, they will leave that to others, and now that NACS is likely to be widely adopted, most NEVI funded installs will likely be dual cable CSS+NACS.

Note: Neither Rivian nor Tesla have filed to become an eligible vendor to make an application for the Oregon portion of the NEVI funds. (The only state I am monitoring closely.) They have slightly more than 2 weeks left to put their hat in the ring.

Furthermore, depending on the charging port location some car cannot charge at superchargers. For example, the Ford F150 cannot charge because the supercharger's cables are too short.

Yet, we have videos of F-150 Lightnings charging at MagicDock sites...

 

[azbill]

I have said RAN was a waste of money from the beginning. Makes no sense to be in power distribution business...

Well, it has worked out for Tesla.

 

[HeresRonnie]

I don’t think this was necessary but guess its too late now

 

[Revelation]

A minor question I guess I'll need to pose to CS is whether my R1S, which in theory only will come to me a year from now, will
- include the NACS adaptor, or

They won't be able to tell you today, you'll probably no more towards the end of the year beginning of 2024 what the timeline looks like.

- I'll have to purchase the NACS adaptor separately, and

Most likely, yes. They may throw some in for free as promotions, but expect to pay for it.

- will the NACS adaptor be for sale in the Gear Shop.

Most likely.

 

[Ozmt]

Have they received money? How much?

According to Google and the Whitehouse, the number is 7.5 billion to open chargers

 

[ohseedee]

You go to the 'dealer' lot and there are two R1Ts. One has a NACS port and one has a CCS port and both are the same cost, which one do you buy if all else is equal?

It's not complicated... its all about perceived convenience or obsolescence

Considering you probably paid $15K to $20K less on your ~2022 Rivian thanks to pre-march pricing than a 2025 NACS Rivian and your Rivian will be 3+ years older at that time I wouldn’t worry too much about it going for less on the dealer lot

 

[MP3Mike]

I think that Telsa should be able to get NEVI funding with Magic Dock stations.

I don't think so, it fails this requirement:

so long as each DCFC charging port has at least one permanently attached CCS Type 1 connector and is capable of charging a CCS-compliant vehicle."

The adapter is not permanently attached. (People have shown that it can be removed from the cable in about 2 seconds.) But there are many additional requirements that Tesla doesn't meet, like having a minimum output power of 150kW available at all times on every NEVI funded stall.

Have they received money? How much?

I've only seen one article say that Tesla was going to receive funding for MagicDock installs, but it didn't state how much, just that it would over the costs, which are likely very minimal. And it also said that no contract had been signed yet. (It would have to be completely separate from the NEVI funding.)

 

[R1Tom]

You always have Chargepoint, EVgo and many others if SC pricing is

Does it matter? It makes your Rivian more valuable because you can go more places far easier. That's easily worth $500 to me but I don't care what it cost. I'm buying on day 1.

I am just wondering, but as you said....my order gets placed as soon as they become available up to about $2k. At that point I would decide if I really need it. At this point it isn't my travel far vehicle and 99% of my charging is done at $.1/kwh in my garage.

 

[Yossarian]

Good news! I've learned that the adapter will be paired with 20' of liquid cooled 18 AWG cable that will not only make it a snap to handle and but also allow you to use just a single charging stall no matter where your CCS port is located. It will be available only with a 110v powered heat pump for the cabling however.

Cost and release date are both TBD.

 

[Hillbilly]

Hopefully, the deal with Tesla with Ford and Rivian require them to move the charge port to the front right (or rear left) otherwise they will waste charging space.

GM sliverado showed theirs in the rear left (like Tesla).

Rear left sucks towing.

 

[evguy]

Hopefully there will be a lot of v4 Superchargers (with the 10-foot cables) in North America by 2024. The 6-foot cables on the current v3 Superchargers are too short to reach the charge port on a Rivian (or any other non-Tesla). Unless the "adapter" includes an extension cord, Superchargers won't be very practical for charging non-Teslas until v4 is more widely available.

 

[R1Tom]

Well, it has worked out for Tesla.

Timing matters to my statement.

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