Anyone worried about privacy issues?

[HJP1]

With an incredible amount of vehicle telematics systems in not only our Rivians but most modern cars, especially EVs generating massive amounts of data with little to no regulation is anyone worried? Everything is captured, where you're going, how you get there and how fast, videos of everything around you and maybe even what you're doing inside. I know information can be beneficial but also dangerous in the wrong hands, It's probably just a matter of when and not if hackers obtain the capability to completely take over your vehicle if they haven't already. After reading a few articles I am mildly concerned, thoughts?

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[Donald Stanfield]

Yeah I don't much care for it either. I try to limit my footprint as much as possible online and the vehicle telematics being so widely tracked doesn't really fit with that lifestyle.

 

[usulio]

Yeah, there are a lot of related issues here.

• Privacy issues from the data being used "correctly" or as intended. For example, 'discount on insurance for good driving' will in a couple years turn into 'highest rates if you don't share telemetry with insurers'.
• Privacy issues from sharing or selling the data, for example AT&T must get some amount of data on your Rivian, they may be able to re-sell. Government agencies / law enforcement accessing or buying the data.
• Privacy issues from data being misused. For example, a leak or hack. A rogue employee. Etc.
• Security issues from over-reliance on software. Possibility of cars being hacked remotely. Ability of thieves to steal cars, or open the car and steal the contents, by exploiting software flaws.
• Reliability issues from over-reliance on software. Bugs, especially at high speed or in dangerous situations. Imagine how much worse this could have been. Reliance of cars on Internet-connected features when going to areas without cell service.
• Ownership and right-to-repair issues. Vehicle functionality that used to be in hardware and be repairable is moved to software, or integrated closely with software, and companies claim their software is proprietary and prevent you from modifying and repairing. See John Deere.

Rivian is definitely not alone in leaning heavily on software and telemetry, but they're unfortunately leading the charge in that direction.

 

[Rivian_Hugh_III]

Is there a privacy statement from Rivian anywhere?

 

[Rivian_Hugh_III]

Is there a privacy statement from Rivian anywhere?

Here is Rivian’s Privacy Policy:

https://rivian.com/legal/privacy

 

[jimmyb2]

Might be interesting to check out www.privacy4cars.com where they discuss what auto mfgs. themselves collect. You can enter your VIN to get an idea of what they collect.

Unfortunately, they do not have information on Rivian vehicles yet, but you can check on other more established mfgs.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

With an incredible amount of vehicle telematics systems in not only our Rivians but most modern cars, especially EVs generating massive amounts of data with little to no regulation is anyone worried? Everything is captured, where you're going, how you get there and how fast, videos of everything around you and maybe even what you're doing inside. I know information can be beneficial but also dangerous in the wrong hands, It's probably just a matter of when and not if hackers obtain the capability to completely take over your vehicle if they haven't already. After reading a few articles I am mildly concerned, thoughts?

None, whatsoever. Most of us carry a phone that is connected to the internet. We use computers daily. EV or not, we already generate and volunteer tons of data. To worry about it is as productive as worrying about the sun rising. There are precautions you can take and choose to opt out of certain things. But, by and large, it's beyond your control.

 

[Jason]

Yep, if you drive around with your phone hen you've been giving up this data for years already.

 

[COdogman]

I don't like it, but it's a fact of life in 2023. Each person has to decide for themselves what they are willing to compromise on. If you have a smartphone with any 3rd party apps on it whatsoever, you are likely sharing more info than Rivian collects on you.

 

[RivianR1TinSFL]

With an incredible amount of vehicle telematics systems in not only our Rivians but most modern cars, especially EVs generating massive amounts of data with little to no regulation is anyone worried? Everything is captured, where you're going, how you get there and how fast, videos of everything around you and maybe even what you're doing inside. I know information can be beneficial but also dangerous in the wrong hands, It's probably just a matter of when and not if hackers obtain the capability to completely take over your vehicle if they haven't already. After reading a few articles I am mildly concerned, thoughts?

Valid concern. However, prob way too late to dial back on this.

 

[LL75]

Privacy? Wth is that? I only get about 10 spam calls a day

 

[Kacey3]

I'm on FaceBook. I already gave up all of my privacy.

 

[MIG]

That ship sailed in the 90's.

 

[Steve A.]

Sad to see comments above so easily giving up privacy rights. I can't believe ANYONE would opt-in on the event data recorder consent form as part of the purchase agreement, and was shocked to see that opting OUT of the other data collection was NOT an options. SMH There is no such thing as collecting *anonymous* data when that data includes your location!

You should NOT have to identify yourself and give up your location IN REAL TIME to drive YOUR OWN vehicle. Not to mention the hacking factor which has been demonstrated MANY years ago as well as the latest Kia/Hyundai car theft debacle.

Same with the government's effort to eliminate anonymous financial purchases by trying to eliminate cash.

Wake up #Sheeple!

 

[Steve A.]

None, whatsoever. Most of us carry a phone that is connected to the internet. We use computers daily. EV or not, we already generate and volunteer tons of data. To worry about it is as productive as worrying about the sun rising. There are precautions you can take and choose to opt out of certain things. But, by and large, it's beyond your control.

Contrary to the *nothing you can do about it* myth, there are actually privacy phone and computer options unless you're a committed Apple fanboi then you are beyond help.

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