WSJ coming around to EVs

[Fmc]

I have always enjoyed reading Dan’s columns.

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/cars/youve-formed-your-opinion-on-evs-now-let-me-change-it-6c6fd1c1

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[ndmiller]

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[Rivdog]

Didn’t WSJ just recently run another hit piece?

 

[COdogman]

Dan Neil is a good auto journalist, but I don’t want to give the WSJ any clicks if I can avoid it.

 

[BigSkies]

Didn’t WSJ just recently run another hit piece?

The WSJ is a weird publication. Their news/reporting is pretty decent. They do decent reviews on EV’s, and I’d say fairly balanced pieces on the growing EV market. It’s certainly not rainbows and unicorns, but they’re honest about the challenges the industry faces while talking about the growth too.

The editorial side of the WSJ is a completely different story. The opinion pieces are pretty much what you’d read from any other Murdoch owned media. It’s constant hit pieces on EV’s renewables, etc. I don’t follow it closely, but I don’t believe the WSJ editorial board has even come around to the idea that climate change is happening.

It’s too bad. I used to really enjoy the WSJ, but I find it difficult to take them seriously anymore.

 

[strangelove]

The editorial side of the WSJ is a completely different story. The opinion pieces are pretty much what you’d read from any other Murdoch owned media. It’s constant hit pieces on EV’s renewables, etc. I don’t follow it closely, but I don’t believe the WSJ editorial board has even come around to the idea that climate change is happening.

As someone who is very centrist (having voted for both moderate democrats and republicans in the past), after Trump won I decided to read media that leaned further right to better understand the perspective. Fox News was off the table for obvious and hilarious reasons... but despite being Murdock-owned, the WSJ has been enjoyable to read and I've kept my subscription going ever since.

This POV is true though. The opinion section is too far-right, but I mostly ignore that section and focus on the actual news, business and lifestyle stuff. But hey, even when it infuriates me, I find it helpful to know what the far right is thinking via the occasional editorial, even if it's crazeballs.

And while we're on politics, I also quit CNN... they are not as nuts as Fox News, but even they've gotten too drama for my tastes.

 

[PeterSK]

subscription paywall

this version on Apple News may be a little more accessible.

https://apple.news/AJCH-X8SkS0Cz1rYi5j6W9g

 

[dgennetten]

I have always enjoyed reading Dan’s columns.

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/cars/youve-formed-your-opinion-on-evs-now-let-me-change-it-6c6fd1c1

Another good perspective:

https://insideevs.com/news/705338/norway-winter-ev-charging-no-trouble/

 

[BigSkies]

As someone who is very centrist (having voted for both moderate democrats and republicans in the past), after Trump won I decided to read media that leaned further right to better understand the perspective. Fox News was off the table for obvious and hilarious reasons... but despite being Murdock-owned, the WSJ has been enjoyable to read and I've kept my subscription going ever since.

This POV is true though. The opinion section is too far-right, but I mostly ignore that section and focus on the actual news, business and lifestyle stuff. But hey, even when it infuriates me, I find it helpful to know what the far right is thinking via the occasional editorial, even if it's crazeballs.

And while we're on politics, I also quit CNN... they are not as nuts as Fox News, but even they've gotten too drama for my tastes.

I'm naively hoping to avoid going down a political black hole.

I'm pretty much in agreement with you, and also have voted for both parties in the past.

The media landscape has really changed over the last decade in a way that really bothers me. I can't articulate it perfectly, but I'll try.

Like everyone, I have my own personal opinions on things like immigration, taxes, foreign policy, etc. I feel that I'm pretty good at articulating my opinions on these topics, and I can understand why people come to different conclusions. I understand the basic arguments, can appreciate the nuance, and can fully respect people that come to different conclusions.

The anti-EV, anti-renewables, and some of the "culture war" type stuff that comes up now is different. I see this stuff and can't understand what's even being argued about and why it's being argued about. The media sources (and many individuals) are so concerned with aligning themselves with team blue or team red that they're not really arguing for anything. There's no public-policy attached to it, and no arguments about the relative trade-offs. Just a lot of emotion and rooting for their own team. I simply don't know how to have a conversation with someone that is living in one of these information bubbles anymore.

As good as the WSJ reporting is (particularly compared with the free sources), I just don't feel great paying money into that media ecosystem.

 

[Fmc]

This was my favorite part

But, as a shortcut to common ground, I always encourage EV skeptics to just drive one. Then we’ll talk. The consumer experience is superior: quicker, quieter, more refined and responsive, more efficient, more connected and cheaper to operate than its gas-powered equivalent. The market demand is organic, the desire real and nonideological. After a few miles in an EV, going back to internal combustion feels like returning to whale-oil lamps.

Most anti-EV have never been in an EV and simply quote pieces like ‘it takes 6x the rate earth minerals to make an EV’ or some other comment that is true at its face but deceptive in its entirety.

I for one drive an EV because it is fun, and for the most part maintenance is easy.

 

[vandy1981]

Non-paywalled article here: https://archive.is/ruy4V

It's a good-but-not-novel take on prior industry failures and the current landscape. The reader comments are predictably skeptical.

I disagree that the Lightning was a fumble, but Ford did probably overmarket the towing capabilities of the truck. The truck market is essentially geared towards suburban grocery getting and daycare drop offs, and the Lightning excels in those areas.

 

[strangelove]

I'm naively hoping to avoid going down a political black hole.

I'm pretty much in agreement with you, and also have voted for both parties in the past.

The media landscape has really changed over the last decade in a way that really bothers me. I can't articulate it perfectly, but I'll try.

Like everyone, I have my own personal opinions on things like immigration, taxes, foreign policy, etc. I feel that I'm pretty good at articulating my opinions on these topics, and I can understand why people come to different conclusions. I understand the basic arguments, can appreciate the nuance, and can fully respect people that come to different conclusions.

The anti-EV, anti-renewables, and some of the "culture war" type stuff that comes up now is different. I see this stuff and can't understand what's even being argued about and why it's being argued about. The media sources (and many individuals) are so concerned with aligning themselves with team blue or team red that they're not really arguing for anything. There's no public-policy attached to it, and no arguments about the relative trade-offs. Just a lot of emotion and rooting for their own team. I simply don't know how to have a conversation with someone that is living in one of these information bubbles anymore.

As good as the WSJ reporting is (particularly compared with the free sources), I just don't feel great paying money into that media ecosystem.

All fair. Politics has become a fan club, and it's no longer about getting things right... it's about being right, no matter the cost. Common sense and courtesy lose out to fandom.

 

[CrazyOne]

Interesting. My comment on who the WSJ owner is got deleted. Go ahead and delete this too. If I really wanted to be political, I would have said ........Now I wonder who owns this website. Delete, ban, what ever

 

[daeHelkcunK]

Didn’t WSJ just recently run another hit piece?

The WSJ is remarkably complete with their reporting and definitely right biased with their opinions. This article balances out the anti-EV pieces. I listen to NPR and read the Journal daily. Anyone who doesn't get input from both sources (left and right) is depriving themselves of the truth which I imagine is somewhere in the middle. That's what I believe it's going to take to depolarize this country. The media is obviously not going to do it themselves. They're paid to cater to the extremes. Anyone who ignores one side or the other is a sheep.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

This article represented reality pretty well. The comment section OTOH was full of the usual total nonsense talking points.

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