Gen 1 Quad Large vs Gen 2 Dual Max

[Kelvn]

I've owned both. The Quad was faster - it amazes me that 1/2 a second is clearly noticeable.

1/2 second faster by itself is not the reason it feels so much faster. it's 1/2 second in context. 1/2 second faster if your 0-60 was 10 seconds is not a big deal, but 1/2 second faster at 3 vs 3.5 seconds is % delta much larger.

1. 10s -> 9.5s ~ 5% reduction in time​

2. 3.5s -> 3s ~ 14% reduction in time​

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It's similar to Miles per gallon vs Gallons per mile. MPG is not linear so the improvements aren't as intuitive as Gallons per 100 mile. 1 MPG increase is nothing for a car that gets 35-45mpg, but for a car that gets 10-15 (like a truck) thats a big deal.

MPG

1. +1mpg @ 35-45mpg ~ 2.2-2.8% increase​

2. +1mpg @ 10-15mpg ~6.6-10% increase​

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So 1 MPG increase converted to Gal/100Mile shows a more obvious improvement.

1. 35mpg = 2.85 Gal/100Mile with a change to 2.77 Gal/100Mile; - 0.08gal/100Miles​

2. 10mpg = 10 Gal/100Mile with a change to 9.09 Gal/100Mile; - 0.91gal/100Miles​

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And that ends my digression.

Actually, before I end. I guess kWh/mi vs mi/kWh would have been a more relevant topic to Rivian owners. Same things though kWh/mi is more linear/easier to understand efficiency differences than mi/kWh.

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[Electrified Outdoors]

Its a great question and I think the answer is it depends. What is your primary goal? G1 quad has lower price and better warranty so if your goal is lowest price for performance and you plan to keep it for a long time then Gen1 is a great value.

If you think you will use the ADAS a lot and if budget is not that much of an issue I think Dual performance is the way to go. The gen2 has some meaningful refinements and it does have better cameras, the Rivian autonomy platform, matrix headlights (not enabled yet...soon via software update), and refined suspension.

We love our Gen1 quad motors but having driven the Gen2 dual performance max pack I will tell you performance wise you can not really tell the difference between the two...at least I can't without draggy or similar 0-60 app.

On paper the Gen2 DMP max is .4 seconds slower 0-60 than quad...however...the 3 seconds 0-60 in the quad is with the sport wheel/tire setup, in lowest ride height, and in sport mode. In all purpose mode with standard ride height or even low I think you would have a hard time telling the two apart in terms of performance.

All R1 are power limited based on ride height..I suspect to protect the axles. You only get max power in sport/lowest and of course other conditions like state of charge, battery temps, etc have to be optimal to get max available power output.

With all that said, for me it would come down to cost most likely. If your saving $5,000 or more then I think Gen1 is the way to go. If its less than that, for me, I would go with Gen2. Of course, we aren't planning to trade our Gen1 vehicles anytime soon.

 

[jemkewl]

The delay I felt in gen2 for general driving on 45 mph roads or 55+mph highways annoyed me on my friends dual performance VS my antiquated g1 quad. Some had speculated that could be due to the auto decoupling of one of the motors on g2 dual versions.
Many talk about how much better the ride is in gen2 VS gen1...haven't experienced that yet in a like-for-like tire comparison.
Don't think you can go wrong with either choice. At present, I would only buy another quad.

 

[LL75]

The delay I felt in gen2 for general driving on 45 mph roads or 55+mph highways annoyed me on my friends dual performance VS my antiquated g1 quad. Some had speculated that could be due to the auto decoupling of one of the motors on g2 dual versions.
Many talk about how much better the ride is in gen2 VS gen1...haven't experienced that yet in a like-for-like tire comparison.
Don't think you can go wrong with either choice. At present, I would only buy another quad.

^^^ this. After driving my Quad r1s for a year and a half , then switch to the DM R1T, the slight lag also annoyed me.

 

[BearMan123]

Gen2, R1S, Dual max, 20 AT. While my new toy was in the shop for 3+ weeks, I had the pleasure of being given a 2023 R1T Quad Large. The Max does appear to have a noticeable distance in rqnge, although suprisingly, my highest m/Kwh, has occurred after charging 100% which is getting me around all week.

I ended up with max because that's what the R1S Shop had with the right set of features including, yes, the debated Rivian Premium Audio. On the lease, the amount residualized for the lease only added about $75/month increase in payments, although I had the 7,500 tax contribution as my original order dating back to 2021 was pre-tax change.

The 2023 R1T Quad was insanely fast. So much so, I actually slid the rear end out while hammering it--just a few feet, no damage other than my heart. I think if given the chance to re-order, I would do Max, Dual, Performance.

I find the extra 40 just takes the chill out of range anxiety and I'm going a week with mixed city/highway driving.

One observation Gen1 RT Quad folks, I was surprised how loud the motors are. The background whine. The Gen2 has a bucket of little issues, but the motors are silent.

 

[SoCal Rob]

One observation Gen1 RT Quad folks, I was surprised how loud the motors are. The background whine. The Gen2 has a bucket of little issues, but the motors are silent.

I don’t know how many others feel the same way, but I really like the QM turbine-like motor noise under hard acceleration. I look forward to the day I ditch my OEM Pirelli AT tires so I can hear that again. At 20,000 miles the Pirelli AT tires are the loudest AT tires I’d ever heard.

 

[VanCityMike]

With all that said, for me it would come down to cost most likely. If your saving $5,000 or more then I think Gen1 is the way to go. If its less than that, for me, I would go with Gen2. Of course, we aren't planning to trade our Gen1 vehicles anytime soon.

I would be saving CAD $35K between a Gen1 Quad vs a Gen2 Max with performance. Not quite the same options (Gen1 on 20", black interior, Gen2 on 22" with ocean coast).

it's partly due to the stupid taxes we have in BC. I pay 10% provincial tax on the Gen1 but 15% on the Gen2 as it is in the next bracket.

I think if I pass on the Gen1 I will just continue to save for a Gen2 Tri with the sky interior as at that point I would just get exactly the truck I want. Only problem is the Tri hits even the NEXT tax bracket (>$150K) and is 20%. That stings.

 

[VanCityMike]

Gen2, R1S, Dual max, 20 AT. While my new toy was in the shop for 3+ weeks, I had the pleasure of being given a 2023 R1T Quad Large. The Max does appear to have a noticeable distance in rqnge, although suprisingly, my highest m/Kwh, has occurred after charging 100% which is getting me around all week.

I ended up with max because that's what the R1S Shop had with the right set of features including, yes, the debated Rivian Premium Audio. On the lease, the amount residualized for the lease only added about $75/month increase in payments, although I had the 7,500 tax contribution as my original order dating back to 2021 was pre-tax change.

The 2023 R1T Quad was insanely fast. So much so, I actually slid the rear end out while hammering it--just a few feet, no damage other than my heart. I think if given the chance to re-order, I would do Max, Dual, Performance.

I find the extra 40 just takes the chill out of range anxiety and I'm going a week with mixed city/highway driving.

One observation Gen1 RT Quad folks, I was surprised how loud the motors are. The background whine. The Gen2 has a bucket of little issues, but the motors are silent.

Thanks, I have heard a few people mention the difference in sound between the two motor generations. The extra range is definitely nice, more so when I have my wife and twins in the truck on a trip.

 

[kevster]

I had the same exact choice and ended up with gen 2 dual max. They definitely made the large pack smaller in gen 2, probably to maximize the difference between large and max. The acceleration is nice in quad but are you gonna be drag racing everywhere at max power? Especially with kids and family in the car…

 

[Anjoo]

I would be saving CAD $35K between a Gen1 Quad vs a Gen2 Max with performance. Not quite the same options (Gen1 on 20", black interior, Gen2 on 22" with ocean coast).

it's partly due to the stupid taxes we have in BC. I pay 10% provincial tax on the Gen1 but 15% on the Gen2 as it is in the next bracket.

I think if I pass on the Gen1 I will just continue to save for a Gen2 Tri with the sky interior as at that point I would just get exactly the truck I want. Only problem is the Tri hits even the NEXT tax bracket (>$150K) and is 20%. That stings.

35k is an huge difference. If I had to pick between the two options, I’m not sure I’d even pick the gen 2 over the gen 1 quad for the same price.

 

[CrazyOne]

How important is range and heat pump for you? If it's not very, QM. QM in conserve will likely do 330-350 in real world. 125 kwh battery vs 145 kwh battery isn't much. Range ratings are higher because of heat pump, which will make a difference only when using heat under moderate conditions.

Also suspension on G1 T is pretty good. If it was an S, I would go for G2. Lots of complaints about G1 S suspension.

 

[MidnightRivian]

I would say range is a priority during winter in Canada and also for road trips during the summer.

you should go with a gen 2 max battery and add performance pack or make it a tri motor if you want high horsepower.

 

[SPITmadFIRE]

Dual max over anything else, gen 1 or gen 2. Wouldn't trade my range and usability for anything.

 

[BrianB]

It’s not about Gen1 vs Gen2 features today, it’s about all the updates that will be possible on Gen2, for which Gen1 doesn’t have the available compute headroom and camera resolution. Watch RJs interviews about this before buying a Gen1 over Gen2.

The dual is so quick, I have never wished I had more than 533hp.

 

[VanCityMike]

I would say range is a priority during winter in Canada and also for road trips during the summer.

you should go with a gen 2 max battery and add performance pack or make it a tri motor if you want high horsepower.

Ya, range may trump even a better price.

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