New R1S Competitor: Cadillac Vistiq

[Zoidz]

This is what 90% of “suvs” are these days. That’s what most people want. It’s a crossover, I don’t think Cadillac is marketing this as anything other than that.

Yep, that's pretty much what I am ranting about. It's a crossover, not an SUV. If they marketed it as a crossover, I'd be perfectly fine with all of it. But they are marketing it as an SUV, image is direct from the Cadillac web site. Yes, I'm ranting, I admit that.

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[SoCal Rob]

Scout is 3 row and looks to be the most capable off road EV produced.

Scout is 2 rows with seating for 5 standard or 6 with the optional front bench-type seat.

 

[AARivian48]

Why hide the range information? so goddamn annoying. If I am buying an EV, I want to know what the damn range is.

 

[zjl19902003]

Storage is not great compare to R1S(No frunk), May be 3rd has more leg room then R1S.

I watched this and it seems the 3rd row is much narrower than R1S. The only advantage I can see is the captain seat.

 

[richguess]

I get the old folks Cadillac thing. To me, the Lyric isn’t bad looking. Clearly these are not off roaders, but my bet is most R1S drivers are street bound ( certainly in my neighborhood.) I‘m going to look at an Optic, as the wait until 2026-2027 for an R2 is too long for me. Also the Q6, which is pricey.

 

[9527]

Yep, that's pretty much what I am ranting about. It's a crossover, not an SUV. If they marketed it as a crossover, I'd be perfectly fine with all of it. But they are marketing it as an SUV, image is direct from the Cadillac web site. Yes, I'm ranting, I admit that.

I hear you but to the average person, these vehicles are “SUVs”. Vehicles that are taller than a sedan and have a hatch. Anything from a Genesis G60 to the old Hummer H1.
In car shopping websites, there’s a SUV section but no crossover section. Motortrend has SUV of the year even 90% of the contenders are crossovers.

 

[Nixapatfan]

Seriously? Well that just seems like a massive waste of space. ?‍?

Yeah no idea why it is the way it is, it is mostly empty in there on the Lyriq just the inverter, AC, suspension and wires all over the place, seems like for whatever reason they didn't want to optimize wiring and component placement to make room for a small frunk. Could be for ease of servicing or decided not worth it for the amount of actual usable space in there.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I like the Vistiq. I like the Lyriq too, it's just too small. Had this been out when shopping for my new R1S I might have decided on the cadillac, it is certainly cheaper.

I had an R1S and a Lyric on order and spent time in both before taking delivery of an R1S 16 months ago. I could not believe how cheap the Lyric felt. It was more like a Chevy than a Cadillac. I hope the new car has better fit and finish.

 

[PappaBolt]

What’s the difference between an SUV and a minivan?

Answer: Sliding doors

 

[Bullwinkle]

Going to be a strong competitor for the Lucid Gravity I think, but not so much for the R1S.

Lucid is making the EVs that Cadillac should be making

 

[TexasBob]

Lucid is making the EVs that Cadillac should be making

Interesting point. Lucid market cap is $6.5B. Maybe GM needs to acquire it... (though smart money says wait another 12-18 months). Lucid's drivetrain tech would be a very useful addition to GM.

 

[Technowizzard]

Cadillac has always produced “glitzy non-practical” vehicles. This new generation of EV’s is no exception. I would be afraid to take it off road as the chrome will probably fall off. After some digging in their posting found the range to be “estimated” at 300 miles.for the two motor all wheel drive version. Note the disclaimer this is all preproduction data - subject to change, and probably will. I’am not impressed.

 

[sfvR1S]

Scout is 3 row and looks to be the most capable off road EV produced.

It's not available now, maybe a couple years. R1S really doesn't have any competition now.

 

[ndmiller]

Scout is 3 row and looks to be the most capable off road EV produced.

Scout is 2027, 3 years away at a minimum, so at this point vaporware and doesn't yet exist to be capable of anything. They don't even have the factory built.

FWIW I reserved one on my Amex, but if it never made it I wouldn't be hurt or surprised and Amex would give me back my money.

 

[seanocono]

When the website shows a driver with a sun visor on, you know the target customer age and demographic.

That’s not me, thankfully.

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