Federal NEVI EV charger program cancelled

[Jonger1150]

You are talking about operational costs. I was taking into account the actual carbon footprint of building the vehicle, and especially large 135KW battery.

Just processing 500,000 pounds of rock to get minerals for Rivian battery using ICE machines - it is a lot of CO2. Taking into consideration that any incident will total the car and then the battery needs to be recycled (there is a footprint for this as well). Also, you probably will not get 352 miles from your car. I have Gen1 QM, and realistically, I am getting 290-300 miles in town.

It depends.... where is the Rivian being charged? Kentucky or Quebec? In Kentucky it could take 50,000 miles to clear that extra carbon. In Quebec it might take 7500.

Either way, the entire battery is recyclable. It's a one and done carbon expense.

There's no option where an EV isn't much more planet friendly. The most important aspect is the grid. Right now 90% of all new power generation is solar + Battery.

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[Captblue]

"Paused payment"? Tell that to 9700 employees who were told they were losing their jobs permanently, see if they think it is "paused payment".

I don't have an issue with the audit concept, but I have an issue with the legality of the execution.

WASHINGTON, Feb 6 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's administration plans to keep fewer than 300 staff at the U.S. Agency for International Development out of the agency's worldwide total of more than 10,000, four sources told Reuters on Thursday.
Washington's primary humanitarian aid agency has been a target of a government reorganization program spearheaded by businessman Elon Musk, a close Trump ally, since the Republican president took office on January 20.

The four sources familiar with the plan said only 294 staff at the agency would be allowed to keep their jobs, including only 12 in the Africa bureau and eight in the Asia bureau.

If they decide that 9700 people aren’t needed, that a good thing. One thing we can say is the government are very inefficient. Small government is good.? for everyone at the end. Take a look at NASA, comparing to what a private sector can do, Like SpaceX. we will just have to see, it takes time.

 

[emoore]

If they decide that 9700 people aren’t needed, that a good thing. One thing we can say is the government are very inefficient. Small government is good.? for everyone at the end. Take a look at NASA, comparing to what a private sector can do, Like SpaceX. we will just have to see, it takes time.

Only reason SpaceX can fail like they do because it's on their own dime. No chance a real customer would accept those "testing" losses.

 

[shap]

Only reason SpaceX can fail like they do because it's on their own dime. No chance a real customer would accept those "testing" losses.

They actually have huge government contracts. They are just very efficient, so even with all the "losses" they still cheaper than NASA themselves (and it is great).

 

[emoore]

They actually have huge government contracts. They are just very efficient, so even with all the "losses" they still cheaper than NASA themselves (and it is great).

I agree with cheaper than NASA but they didn't get those federal contracts until they proved they could launch successfully and repeatably. They just did it with private funds vs. government funds.

 

[Zoidz]

If they decide that 9700 people aren’t needed, that a good thing. One thing we can say is the government are very inefficient. Small government is good.? for everyone at the end. Take a look at NASA, comparing to what a private sector can do, Like SpaceX. we will just have to see, it takes time.

As I mentioned previously, I'm fine with the audit. Not happy with parts of the execution, specifically legalities, which judges are also questioning.

 

[captainjp]

I agree with cheaper than NASA but they didn't get those federal contracts until they proved they could launch successfully and repeatably. They just did it with private funds vs. government funds.

Maybe funding for space exploration should take a cut. At least for the immediate future. I couldn’t think of a more wasteful way of spending government funds. Billions of dollars. Space X can pursue on its own dime. No?

edit: I can think of more wasteful ways, but this one is up there

 

[SASSquatch]

Critical part of the article:

"I asked Loren McDonald, chief analyst at Paren, what his thoughts were on this latest cancellation, and he, among others (myself included), doesn’t think the FHWA has the authority to stop the NEVI program with a memo – it would need a change in law from Congress – and then the courts will settle it."

 

[shap]

Maybe funding for space exploration should take a cut. At least for the immediate future. I couldn’t think of a more wasteful way of spending government funds. Billions of dollars. Space X can pursue on its own dime. No?

edit: I can think of more wasteful ways, but this one is up there

Everything should be on the table when we have trillions $ of debt. Everything.

 

[emoore]

Maybe funding for space exploration should take a cut. At least for the immediate future. I couldn’t think of a more wasteful way of spending government funds. Billions of dollars. Space X can pursue on its own dime. No?

edit: I can think of more wasteful ways, but this one is up there

Ugh. Sad. We need more but less. NASA has done amazing things with the tiny budget they have.

 

[captainjp]

Ugh. Sad. We need more but less. NASA has done amazing things with the tiny budget they have.

Agreed. I’m not implying that the programs should be abandoned completely. In terms of priorities though, this should go on back-burner. Especially if the country is in the financial crisis as DOGE says it is. Let’s focus on everything within this atmosphere for now.

 

[JRock]

Our annual military budget is almost a trillion dollars; almost three billion dollars every day. And yet, the cheerleading for slashing the programs that feed starving people in developing countries or transforming our nation’s energy infrastructure, both of which represent less than one half of one percent of the annual budget, is the top priority for some here? If you’re that concerned about waste, fraud and abuse of your tax dollars, doesn’t it make more sense to address the biggest parts of the budget, first? Perhaps look at the annual condom expenditures for the military? Some people here are focused on that sort of thing, apparently.
Cue the flag waving in 3, 2, 1…

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Our annual military budget is almost a trillion dollars; almost three billion dollars every day. And yet, the cheerleading for slashing the programs that feed starving people in developing countries or transforming our nation’s energy infrastructure, both of which represent less than one half of one percent of the annual budget, is the top priority for some here? If you’re that concerned about waste, fraud and abuse of your tax dollars, doesn’t it make more sense to address the biggest parts of the budget, first? Perhaps look at the annual condom expenditures for the military? Some people here are focused on that sort of thing, apparently.
Cue the flag waving in 3, 2, 1…

We should slash the military budget, too; you're right. But since we are trillions of dollars in debt, we shouldn't be giving 40 billion out to other countries either. We can cut both.

 

[JRock]

We should slash the military budget, too; you're right. But since we are trillions of dollars in debt, we shouldn't be giving 40 billion out to other countries either. We can cut both.

The military budget is almost a black hole that Eisenhower warned us about. Foreign aid pays dividends in many ways; intelligence, access to natural resources, not to mention, good will without dropping bombs.

 

[shap]

We should slash the military budget, too; you're right. But since we are trillions of dollars in debt, we shouldn't be giving 40 billion out to other countries either. We can cut both.

Not only can we (and should) do both, DoD and DoE are next on the list. Both need a thorough review. As for education, we have a huge problem:

"The U.S. scored 465 in math, below the OECD average of 472 and well below the scores of the top five, all of which were in Asia: Singapore: 575". And we still pay a premium for every kid. Something is wrong here.

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