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94% @ 8k miles. Not sure how I feel about it yet.
My opinion is that everyone needs to calm down about the SOH being in the mid 90s. Data without context or an understanding of the data is prone to misinterpretation, and why RIvian hides it.

After reading through this thread, I realized I knew a very TINY bit about SOH of Lithium batteries, but I had a suspicion that what we are seeing is completely NORMAL. So I did some Googling. As I suspected, there is research out there that shows a Lithium battery has a specific degradation curve. Due to chemical reactions taking place in a brand new battery, it degrades at an accelerated rate during the first charge/discharge cycles. BUT once this occurs, it sort of PROTECTS the battery from further degradation, and actually slows the degradation rate - it is not linear. SO if you are panicking that you have 94% SOH at 6,000 miles, and you are concerned that it will be 88% at 12,000 miles, etc. DON'T PANIC (and don't forget your towel). Below are two SOH degradation graphs from some studies I looked at. So everybody please chill, and don't piss off Rivian by submitting a support ticket saying your battery SOH is concerning to you.By all accounts, this is normal.

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My opinion is that everyone needs to calm down about the SOH being in the mid 90s. Data without context or an understanding of the data is prone to misinterpretation, and why RIvian hides it.

After reading through this thread, I realized I knew a very TINY bit about SOH of Lithium batteries, but I had a suspicion that what we are seeing is completely NORMAL. So I did some Googling. As I suspected, there is research out there that shows a Lithium battery has a specific degradation curve. Due to chemical reactions taking place in a brand new battery, it degrades at an accelerated rate during the first charge/discharge cycles. BUT once this occurs, it sort of PROTECTS the battery from further degradation, and actually slows the degradation rate - it is not linear. SO if you are panicking that you have 94% SOH at 6,000 miles, and you are concerned that it will be 88% at 12,000 miles, etc. DON'T PANIC (and don't forget your towel). Below are two SOH degradation graphs from some studies I looked at. So everybody please chill, and don't piss off Rivian by submitting a support ticket saying your battery SOH is concerning to you.By all accounts, this is normal.

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That tracks with my 7 year old Tesla, lost about 5% of range first 2 years, around 2% the next 3 years, and about 1% the next 2 years.

In 7 years down about 8% in range.

I might add this is with 95% Supercharging so not really babying the battery.
 

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Since the cats out of the bag for a moment anyway, anyone have less that 96% battery SOH?

Also only three things I ever used RiDE for were battery temps while charging, power requested vs power delivered, and battery SOH.

Beyond those, there's not much there the lamen needs or would find of use.
I have 95%, 10K, 6 months on the road. Not worried about it - anyway, anything below 30% degradation is not a warranty case and I hope I will not get there anyway :)
 

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93% at 38k miles.

@jjswan33 I'm curious where you're at with nearly (more than?) 50k.

Speaking of high mileage, I saw this Black Beauty with 50k sell in Seattle wholesale auction a month ago. Looks like they were after your title!

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93% at 38k miles.

@jjswan33 I'm curious where you're at with nearly (more than?) 50k.

Speaking of high mileage, I saw this Black Beauty with 50k sell in Seattle wholesale auction a month ago. Looks like they were after your title!

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48,277 But I need to go to So Cal sometime this month so will be 50k before the end of the year :(

I’m actually car shopping, I need to buy something else so I can keep my Rivian another year at least.

Edit: I should add that I can’t check my SOH because my truck is still at the SC.
 
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Is anyone else noticing their SOH changing. My SOH is 97 when charging, but is 100 when driving.
 

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anyone know what soc absolute is? Truck
Is currently at 49%
It's what your trucks battery state of charge is, including the buffer we don't see on the dash. We know there's usable capacity, and reserve capacity, and gross capacity.

What that metric should reflect in my opinion is the usable capacity with the included reserve buffer.
 

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SO if you are panicking that you have 94% SOH at 6,000 miles, and you are concerned that it will be 88% at 12,000 miles, etc. DON'T PANIC (and don't forget your towel).
I appreciate the thoroughness of the post, but I quite literally described my feelings as ambivalent :). It's impossible to extrapolate a curve given this is my starting point. One thing to note is that cycle lifetime is heavily influenced by external conditions, hence why Rivian has an aggressive BMS that ironically leads to vampire drain. My truck is often in below freezing conditions in the winter (skiing) and baking in direct sunlight in the summer (overlanding/camping). It otherwise sits pretty in my garage, so my degradation curve will look very different than, say, someone in Florida using it as a daily driver. I think for most people, %capacity over time is the most sane metric. I hope this stat isn't taken away. If I were to buy a used EV, I would want to know the capacity.
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