Many new RAN locations added to the official map!

[R1Sky Business]

I have to question why continue investing in the Rivian charging system when Tesla has such a lead in that area.

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[udelt5]

I saw a new RAN being opened in Dallas ! I was checking nearby chargers last night when I saw it, I couldn't visit but I will soon

Very nice! Looks like it’s in the Shops at Park Ln shopping center garage. Need to check that out soon.

 

[Yossarian]

I have to question why continue investing in the Rivian charging system when Tesla has such a lead in that area.

Not to pile on, but one big reason is because Rivian promised to build out the RAN. Also, we cannot forget that access to the Tesla SC could be subject to whims of a rather mercurial CEO who could get po'd at something at any time and decide to tear up whatever agreements are in place. Yes, that would be breach of contract, but that hasn't stopped him in the past. Finally, there's a chance that the RAN could eventually work out to be a profit center.

Still no central NJ service center, to be honest that is all I care about. The wait times in the NY metro area are terrible and no one should have to drive to Brooklyn.

Also, you might know this already, but they have service centers planned for Woodbridge, Edison, and Trenton areas.

As others have pointed out, Trenton has been up and running for some time, though for the first several months, they would only book work that impacted driveability. After a considerable amount of pleading. was able to change my late September appointment for a PTC install and the panel alignment work from my June delivery, from Gaithersburg (140 mile drive) to Trenton (50 miles). I heard that the opening of the Malvern, PA service center (only 10 miles away) is imminent, but when I called customer support to see about changing locations they told me that there is no official opening date yet and that in any event, the first weeks will likely be only mobile service.

OMG no, Rivian chargers are more or less the cost of electricity, the Tesla ones EVEN after their $13 fee is still quite a bit more and don’t get me started on the did you jump through the correct hoops to get the lower rate because if you didn’t, it’s close to double the cost of a RAN charger.

I have done several trip up and down I5 and at this point I avoid the Tesla chargers if there is a RAN on the route.

I've yet to use the RAN, or really any public DCFC, but in doing some trip planning, it looks like most RAN sites are in the $0.36/kWh range. While that's better than the Tesla SC rates, and much better than the nearly $1.00/kWh rates for DCFC's at some highway fuel stops, it's still quite a bit more than the average US residential rate of $0.23/kWh.

 

[hammick]

Talk about Adventure I'm waiting on a R1S TriMax and trying to figure out how I make it from Boulder, CO to Bozeman MT. I'm hoping that the phone app. gives me more optimistic charging station options to make that 700 mile trip once I've actually taken delivery than what I currently see available on the app. Crossing Wyoming is a long relatively empty journey anytime of year and the winter's snow and hurricane force winds from the west give me pause to attempt it with the so few charging station options. Made the drive many times in an GX450 in winter but the fuel consumption was ridiculous and gas stations common.

If I can make that trip in my Lightning Lariat ER in the winter it will be a breeze with your TriMax. The problem is Sheridan, WY. Only has one fast charger that you will be able to use at the Jeep dealer and it's only 50kw. If it's broken of if cars are stacked waiting you are screwed.

If I was in your shoes I'd charge at EA in Cheyenne, EA in Casper then stay at the hotel in Sheridan that has the two Tesla destination chargers. I've seen a Rivian successfully charging on them. They are 80 amp. From there I'd charge at the V3 SC in Laurel, MT (or the EA in East Billings) and then an easy drive to Bozeman.

Wyoming and South Dakota are so anti EV I'm afraid to leave our Lightning unattended at some places. We split time between Kansas City and Red Lodge, Montana and have been taking I-90 across SD now that new EA chargers have been installed. In the winter we have been going across I-70 then up I-25. Have to stay overnight in Wheatland, WY and use their destination chargers.

We are worn out with the Sheridan, WY situation. Lightnings do not work on the older 80 amp Tesla destination chargers for whatever reason so we have to charge at the Jeep dealer.

So on our trip in a couple weeks we are headed up I-29 to Fargo and across I-94 which has many V3 Superchargers nicely spaced. It adds 129 miles to our trip but I suspect it will be faster because we won't have 90 minute charge sessions (or longer if it's frigid).

I believe this will be our permanent route going forward. SD and WY can suck it and we will give our money to North Dakota.

 

[hammick]

Also, we cannot forget that access to the Tesla SC could be subject to whims of a rather mercurial CEO who could get po'd at something at any time and decide to tear up whatever agreements are in place. Yes, that would be breach of contract, but that hasn't stopped him in the past.

I am fearful that he will do exactly that and still get to keep the NEVI funds. Who is going to stop him? I bought our Lightning Lariat ER within two weeks of the Ford/Tesla deal. I had resisted the Lightning before that because of the pathetic charging infrastructure.

 

[Stady546]

We need competition, last thing you would want is for only one company with a DCFC charging network out there.

Wasn't Rivian's original stated purpose of the 'Adventure' Network to enable access to places other charging networks do not, e.g. national and state parks, other public lands. I've been very disappointed that a lot of their network so far is big cities and duplicating Tesla interstate hwy grid. Other than the (awesome) Yosemite station, where is all the park charging? I feel like Montana/Wyoming/Idaho/Utah are some pretty major adventure destinations, and there is exactly one Adventure Network spot in the four states (along an Interstate in Idaho).

 

[hammick]

I checked a better route planner (ABRP). From Boulder you can stop in Casper, and then Billings, then Bozeman. All Tesla SC sites (if you have an adapter. Route: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=4b50d7d0-b404-47da-8dc3-aa272452b2bf

Nope. The SC in Casper is V2. Sheridan SC is also V2. EA Casper to Billings V3 SC is 274 miles. The SC in Sheridan desperately needs to be updated and I doubt that will happen anytime soon if ever. The rat is conniving to become a trillionaire and it's not EVs or the charging infrastructure that will get him there.

 

[DarthBrader]

Whoops. Last ABRP route I POSTED doesn't work. My bad. This one is more realistic. Make sure you set ABRP to the specs for your truck. https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=f47157b8-6c38-4420-8acc-6f0fd530ab21

That route shows a reference consumption of 4.08 mi/kwh. Do you really get that? I only get 2.18 mi/kwh reference consumption based on live data, which seems pretty accurate based on my experience. That's for a Gen 1 / Quad / Large / R1S / 21" wheels.

 

[Jabbahop]

Tesla Supercharger Moab, UT
Tesla Supercharger Kayenta, AZ
Free Utah chargers in Monticello, Bluff, UT etc.
New EA chargers at Lions Park, Moab

No reason for Rivian to expand in Moab, given the multiple DC options....

moab is in good shape but Monticello, bluff are 62kw max. (just used them for camping @ canyonlands Needles this last week) St. George and Kayenta charging are a long way from Bryce, Capitol reef, Glen Canyon recreation area since the Page Tesla charger isn’t compatible and Kanab another slow 62kw charger.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

Dude. None near Rivian HQ!

You would think that service and charging near Rivian HQ in Irvine would be the best!!! But alas, no RAN in OC and the Costa Mesa service center is slammed and takes forever to get an appointment.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

You would think that service and charging near Rivian HQ in Irvine would be the best!!! But alas, no RAN in OC and the Costa Mesa service center is slammed and takes forever to get an appointment.

Lake Forest SC just opened. But agree with you. If there was a RAN nearby, I'd go there (and support Rivian) instead of Supercharger.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

Lake Forest SC just opened. But agree with you. If there was a RAN nearby, I'd go there (and support Rivian) instead of Supercharger.

Thanks for the info. I switched to Eastvale and service time has "improved" for me. Eastvale doesn't show up as an option when booking, but if you call, they will switch you to that location. Maybe the same for LF location.

Definitely more SC in So Cal is going to help ease the service burden. What would really help is if the mostly small quality issues could be addressed at the factory, the SC's wouldn't be so slammed!!!

They just opened the RAN in San Bernardino, but I have no reason to be in SB and don't want to trek there just to "try out" the RAN ... LOL!!!

 

[emoore]

Wasn't Rivian's original stated purpose of the 'Adventure' Network to enable access to places other charging networks do not, e.g. national and state parks, other public lands. I've been very disappointed that a lot of their network so far is big cities and duplicating Tesla interstate hwy grid. Other than the (awesome) Yosemite station, where is all the park charging? I feel like Montana/Wyoming/Idaho/Utah are some pretty major adventure destinations, and there is exactly one Adventure Network spot in the four states (along an Interstate in Idaho).

It's much harder to make money in remote locations. Would be nice to have more but I think they might be trying to get RAN profitable and then work on more remote locations.

 

[BCondrey]

That route shows a reference consumption of 4.08 mi/kwh. Do you really get that? I only get 2.18 mi/kwh reference consumption based on live data, which seems pretty accurate based on my experience. That's for a Gen 1 / Quad / Large / R1S / 21" wheels.

When I did the route, I set it to 2.3. Not sure what happened.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Thanks for the info. I switched to Eastvale and service time has "improved" for me. Eastvale doesn't show up as an option when booking, but if you call, they will switch you to that location. Maybe the same for LF location.

Definitely more SC in So Cal is going to help ease the service burden. What would really help is if the mostly small quality issues could be addressed at the factory, the SC's wouldn't be so slammed!!!

They just opened the RAN in San Bernardino, but I have no reason to be in SB and don't want to trek there just to "try out" the RAN ... LOL!!!

For sure they have to expand service capacity by the time R2 starts shipping. Otherwise it will be a complete brand-damaging shit show. Eastvale is probably too far for me (but beggars can't be choosers?).

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