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All good points. 10-80% is applicable when looking at the individual cell level. Each one must charge 10-80 and the curve is what matters. The chemistry we get is about a 1C rate for that range. Tesla pushes a bit more than others. We'll see what our next little update gets us.

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Interesting video comparing Tesla supercharger to EA. Looks like about 45 minutes roughly for 10-80%. Hoping the software update can cut 10 minutes off the 10-80% down to 35 minutes. 45 minutes is slower than the cars listed below according to Google AI.




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Looks like they got within three minutes of what I was hoping for. Roughly seven minute improvement for 10-80% is not bad. Still not understanding why smaller packs have faster 10-80 though.
 

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Looks like they got within three minutes of what I was hoping for. Roughly seven minute improvement for 10-80% is not bad. Still not understanding why smaller packs have faster 10-80 though.
Probably because they all have the same charge curve. For simplicity, if all stations supplied 150kw for the entire session, the max pack would take the longest to get to 80 of it's higher capacity. The smaller packs reach a particular percentage because less kw is needed to get there. A bigger gas tank takes longer to fill. The max pack max charge at higher rates than a small pack because it is still at a "lower" percentage, but still that takes time.

I'd still say the Max pack should add MILES faster than the other packs especially towards the top but not percentage.

All in all it's good for all owners.
 

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Here is my experience at EA stations for adding a certain amount of energy for a given amount of charging time. I've had both a Gen 1 and now a Gen 2 Max Pack. I'll update this chart with the latest software update just rolling out. The different lines on the chart are for different levels of state of charge at the start of the charging session.

Summary: Gen 1 and Gen 2 Max pack have very similar charging performance over many sessions in real world circumstancees.

IMO: energy adder for x amount of time is a worthy metric. 10% to 80% or similar metric is almost useless across different vehicle models with different batteries.

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Probably because they all have the same charge curve. For simplicity, if all stations supplied 150kw for the entire session, the max pack would take the longest to get to 80 of it's higher capacity. The smaller packs reach a particular percentage because less kw is needed to get there. A bigger gas tank takes longer to fill. The max pack max charge at higher rates than a small pack because it is still at a "lower" percentage, but still that takes time.

I'd still say the Max pack should add MILES faster than the other packs especially towards the top but not percentage.

All in all it's good for all owners.
10-80 time is supposed normalize for different size batteries. I’m betting OOS did their test on a charger that is >250kw so the constraint would be the battery not the charger. My guess is that large and standard likely have larger hidden buffers and that is why they charge in shorter times. Eg 10-80 on a large/standard is really 10-70 because of hidden buffers and can sustain higher peaks since they aren’t as high up in the charge curve.
 

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10-80 time is supposed normalize for different size batteries. I’m betting OOS did their test on a charger that is >250kw so the constraint would be the battery not the charger. My guess is that large and standard likely have larger hidden buffers and that is why they charge in shorter times. Eg 10-80 on a large/standard is really 10-70 because of hidden buffers and can sustain higher peaks since they aren’t as high up in the charge curve.
If all of the packs can charge armt ~210kw peak now, the smaller 53g cell pack will take less time to charge because it's limited by the 500A limit that Rivian has applied. The max pack peaks at about 1.5C. the large pack probably peaks at about 2C.

This is where the max pack would theoretically benefit from 800v charging.
 
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If all of the packs can charge armt ~210kw peak now, the smaller 53g cell pack will take less time to charge because it's limited by the 500A limit that Rivian has applied. The max pack peaks at about 1.5C. the large pack probably peaks at about 2C.

This is where the max pack would theoretically benefit from 800v charging.
You’re right. I missed the fact that they all peak at 215kw now. You’d think the bigger battery should have a higher peak. Interesting.
 

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You’re right. I missed the fact that they all peak at 215kw now. You’d think the bigger battery should have a higher peak. Interesting.
Limited by 500A, which used to be the max for CCS.
 
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If all of the packs can charge armt ~210kw peak now, the smaller 53g cell pack will take less time to charge because it's limited by the 500A limit that Rivian has applied. The max pack peaks at about 1.5C. the large pack probably peaks at about 2C.

This is where the max pack would theoretically benefit from 800v charging.
Why would rivian choose to run the smaller batteries harder with higher C rates though?
 

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Why would rivian choose to run the smaller batteries harder with higher C rates though?
The peak rate that they charge the packs at is pretty slow relative to pack size, so making the pack smaller just allows them to charge closer to what they would ideally be charging the cells at. If the max pack were 800v the charging curve would probably look pretty similar to a lucid air dream edition's.
 

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The peak rate that they charge the packs at is pretty slow relative to pack size, so making the pack smaller just allows them to charge closer to what they would ideally be charging the cells at. If the max pack were 800v the charging curve would probably look pretty similar to a lucid air dream edition's.
Can you imagine if the max pack charged at 300kw peak? One can dream
 

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Keep in mind that charge cables and dispensers generally are 500A limited. Some cables are 325/350 with a boost mode to brief 500A. 500A x 450V = 225kw peak

Also the cooling is a limitation.
 
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About 35 minutes 10-80 on software 2025.18. Almost 10 minute improvement over the previous times. Pretty substantial improvement in fast charging times.

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