[POLL] How likely are you to pay for Autonomy+ Package?

[TexasBob]

A quick check with Gemini (consistent with my personal experience) says that private party resale value on Tesla FSD is $1,000 - $1,500. Resale on HW 3 vehicle $0-$500 and on HW4 it is $1,000-$1,500. Let's call it 80% depreciation on HW4 and over 90% on HW3.

IMO buying this for $2,500 on our Gen 2 is like buying FSD for an HW3 Tesla. The hardware is known to be obsolete and incompatible with the more advanced features so the resale on it will be zero/near zero.

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[desert_sailor]

I really don't drive long distances anymore except occasional trips to visit family or P to P outdoor trips. If it's available and easy to turn on and off each month, I will use it for those trips, but not a full time subscription.

 

[EVtowing]

After using Tesla “Enhanced Autopilot” (EAP) for the past 8 years and finding it very useful on highways and roads with no cross traffic (which is what it was designed for, it was an option that is no longer available, now replaced by FSD) I would definitely pay the one time price of Rivian Autonomy+.

I have used Tesla EAP for tens of thousands of miles and engage it almost every time I’m on a freeway. It takes the stress out of driving long distances. Yes, I remain focused on the road and my surroundings and am ready to take over at any time, but I’m also more relaxed than if I was driving the car myself.

Rivian Autonomy+ will be more capable than what I have now in my Teslas, and it likely will catch up to Tesla FSD in a year or two.

 

[GeorgeHudetz]

After using Tesla “Enhanced Autopilot” (EAP) for the past 8 years and finding it very useful on highways and roads with no cross traffic (which is what it was designed for, it was an option that is no longer available, now replaced by FSD) I would definitely pay the one time price of Rivian Autonomy+.

I have used Tesla EAP for tens of thousands of miles and engage it almost every time I’m on a freeway. It takes the stress out of driving long distances. Yes, I remain focused on the road and my surroundings and am ready to take over at any time, but I’m also more relaxed than if I was driving the car myself.

Rivian Autonomy+ will be more capable than what I have now in my Teslas, and it likely will catch up to Tesla FSD in a year or two.

This is exactly how I feel. For me, Autonomy+ will add a significant amount of value to my R1T. That is, assuming it works well. Which we will be able ascertain given the eval period.

But then, when I bought my Rivan, it was for road trips and fun. I want to take it all over the West over the next 5-10 years. So if Autonomy+ takes a good chunk out of the drudgery of "getting there" then it will be a $2500 wisely spent. I could care less if I lose all $2500 (from a resale value) if it does what they claim it will do.

 

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Where's the "if they decide to offer it for Gen 1" option?

 

[momo3605]

A quick check with Gemini (consistent with my personal experience) says that private party resale value on Tesla FSD is $1,000 - $1,500. Resale on HW 3 vehicle $0-$500 and on HW4 it is $1,000-$1,500. Let's call it 80% depreciation on HW4 and over 90% on HW3.

IMO buying this for $2,500 on our Gen 2 is like buying FSD for an HW3 Tesla. The hardware is known to be obsolete and incompatible with the more advanced features so the resale on it will be zero/near zero.

resale value isn’t the only consideration is it. What about the tangible value of the feature itself. It reduces some the load and stress of keeping your arms and legs locked in position for hundreds of miles. I personally would pay $2500 even if the resale was 0. It’s not that much money. Especially compared to people who pay $8k for Tesla’s FSD. Yes it probably won’t keep improving for years and years but it seems like a solid launch feature set. Even HW3 FSD is pretty good. I’d pay an extra $2k to have it for sure.

don’t forget BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche charge about $2500 just for highway lane keep assist with lane changing. And most people order that too

 

[DuoRivians]

resale value isn’t the only consideration is it. What about the tangible value of the feature itself. It reduces some the load and stress of keeping your arms and legs locked in position for hundreds of miles. I personally would pay $2500 even if the resale was 0. It’s not that much money. Especially compared to people who pay $8k for Tesla’s FSD. Yes it probably won’t keep improving for years and years but it seems like a solid launch feature set. Even HW3 FSD is pretty good. I’d pay an extra $2k to have it for sure.

don’t forget BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche charge about $2500 just for highway lane keep assist with lane changing. And most people order that too

I don’t notice a meaningful difference in keeping my arms legs locked between slightly holding the steering wheel and not touching the wheel.

$2500 isn’t a lot of money? Since when?

 

[momo3605]

I don’t notice a meaningful difference in keeping my arms legs locked between slightly holding the steering wheel and not touching the wheel.

$2500 isn’t a lot of money? Since when?

If you’re buying a $100k Rivian, an extra $2500 to make it mostly self driving isn’t a lot. But anyway, you answered the question, the hands free driving doesn’t add any utility for you so you just think of its investment value. I would never suggest thinking of any tech as an investment. Cars depreciate, EVs especially depreciate, and tech depreciates.

 

[DuoRivians]

Since you bought a $100k Rivian?

That’s not how I see things. And besides, even if you did, an R2 starts at a much lower price point and Autonomy+ will still be $2500

 

[momo3605]

That’s not how I see things. And besides, even if you did, an R2 starts at a much lower price point and Autonomy+ will still be $2500

Yes that’s a good point. But so far R2 isn’t available nor is its extended feature set. I imagine when they release and start to differentiate the features, the pricing will change/be different.

btw out of curiosity do you feel the same way about paying $2500 for a different paint color?

 

[renderpaz]

Piling on here: $50/mo for a leased vehicle and $2500 for owned is a no brainer for Universal Hands Free.

Comparisons to FSD are pointless. Tesla wildly overpriced it and made a critical mistake bundling "Enhanced" auto-pilot with FSD (to try to force the upgrade). Most people just want hands free on highways, but don't want to pay $8k/$100/mo (though admittedly that could change soon).

FSD resale values are correct, and reflect the delivered value of "enhanced" auto-pilot. I'd expect Rivian Autonomy to add a similar value to used Rivians ($1500)

 

[gerrylum]

Piling on here: $50/mo for a leased vehicle and $2500 for owned is a no brainer for Universal Hands Free.

Comparisons to FSD are pointless. Tesla wildly overpriced it and made a critical mistake bundling "Enhanced" auto-pilot with FSD (to try to force the upgrade). Most people just want hands free on highways, but don't want to pay $8k/$100/mo (though admittedly that could change soon).

FSD resale values are correct, and reflect the delivered value of "enhanced" auto-pilot. I'd expect Rivian Autonomy to add a similar value to used Rivians ($1500)

Even with how good FSD 14 is getting, at the $8k price point I don't expect to see take rates for Model 3s and Ys to get much beyond the high-teens, low-twenties that we're seeing now. It's just way too expensive for cars in that price range. Hopefully Rivian's move DOES incentivize Tesla to lower the price of FSD, but we'll see.

 

[DuoRivians]

Yes that’s a good point. But so far R2 isn’t available nor is its extended feature set. I imagine when they release and start to differentiate the features, the pricing will change/be different.

btw out of curiosity do you feel the same way about paying $2500 for a different paint color?

I don’t see the point right now.

UHF doesn’t recognize stop signs, traffic signals on city streets. Not touching the steering wheel on highways is a trivial difference to me. I have my hand on the wheel on my Gen 1 R1T and have tried no hands on my Gen 2 R1S. I see no point in paying $50/mo or whatever for this feature.

Rivian’s point to point driving tech is still quite far away. If you’ve seen OOS’s demo video, it’s clear it’s still very far from being useful—that is, it’s better to just drive yourself than have to supervise the car and make sure it doesn’t do anything stupid, ie what Tesla FSD still suffers from.

 

[TexasBob]

I think given the Tesla benchmarks, resale value on a Gen 2 would be $500 at best. So if we keep it another 4 years it is $50 / mo net. Obviously not worth the purchase if you can variablize it for the same price. And $50/mo is too much IMO. Will see when it arrives. As I have written elsewhere, I think Rivian has a compelling tech stack and vision for Gen 3. That may be worth $2,500 to us if it delivers. (Maybe I will use some of the proceeds from my settlement when they finally sort out the class action lawsuit against Tesla for false advertising/fraud related to HW2.5 and HW3 (coming soon HW4))

 

[RivAW]

I like the idea of the one time payment, because they can't suddenly raise the cost of it, and should theoretically raise the value of the vehicle. But I've heard that used Teslas don't tend to go for much more just because they have lifetime FSD. And I also haven't been keeping cars past what would be the 50mo break even point vs paying monthly.

Realistically, I'll probably not use it enough to make the cost worth it in either case.

It won’t necessarily raise the value of the vehicle. They have not said whether paying (for the license) means that the feature stays with the vehicle and can be transferred.

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