R1S Max pack per customer service - FWIW

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[R1Sky Business]

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[shamoo]

So here's a question for you guys, pre-March reservation holder or not.

If this alleged max pack is an extra $10K, would you buy it? What is it worth to you for an alleged additional 100 miles?

 

[OverZealous]

So here's a question for you guys, pre-March reservation holder or not.

If this alleged max pack is an extra $10K, would you buy it? What is it worth to you for an alleged additional 100 miles?

The max pack for the R1T is exactly $10k over the large pack, so I’m not sure what the question is. If I didn’t have to wait, I’d have configured it on my R1T already.

If they offer a max pack R1S, and I can add it to my pre-March order R1S, I’d get it in a heartbeat. The extra range is worth every penny to me, a lot of our local day trips are over 100 miles, so it becomes hard to do them round-trip with 300 miles of range.

 

[Zybane]

So here's a question for you guys, pre-March reservation holder or not.

If this alleged max pack is an extra $10K, would you buy it? What is it worth to you for an alleged additional 100 miles?

It's worth quite a bit actually. There is a common fallacy that the stated ~300 mile range is all you will ever need.

Until you go and start to use the vehicle.. put a lot of weight in it/many people, it's cold outside, the headwind is blowing, your not using ultra fuel efficient highway tires because you actually want to do well in snow/off-road a bit.. or heck any amount of towing.

And now your 300 miles is well below 200 mile range. That extra battery is going to be VERY useful.

And then there is towing.. which is a whole 'nother ballgame of lost range.

 

[fotoflux]

I'm going to bet that the R1S Max pack configuration will only be available with the new pricing. They're already losing money on every vehicle even with the new pricing. It makes close to zero sense to voluntarily take a $20k wash on a profit if it wasn't an option when pricing was locked in pre-march pre-order holders.

So if it cost $30k more would I buy it? No, not with the quad motor. I'd probably opt to downgrade to dual at that point and hope that I'd be still paying sub 100k.

 

[jtshaw]

I'm going to bet that the R1S Max pack configuration will only be available with the new pricing. They're already losing money on every vehicle even with the new pricing. It makes close to zero sense to voluntarily take a $20k wash on a profit if it wasn't an option when pricing was locked in pre-march pre-order holders.

So if it cost $30k more would I buy it? No, not with the quad motor. I'd probably opt to downgrade to dual at that point and hope that I'd be still paying sub 100k.

100%. Since they never offered it, it won’t have a legacy price. My random ass guess is we won’t see a longer range R1S until we see Rivian produced motors in quad motor as well, producing close to 1000 hp total.

 

[OverZealous]

I'm going to bet that the R1S Max pack configuration will only be available with the new pricing. They're already losing money on every vehicle even with the new pricing. It makes close to zero sense to voluntarily take a $20k wash on a profit if it wasn't an option when pricing was locked in pre-march pre-order holders.

While I fully expect this, I don't think it has to be guaranteed. The Max Pack was $10k before and after the pricing debacle. It never changed. On top of that, I've done the math, and they are making more money per kWh going from large->max than they do going from small->large with the new pricing. So it seems like the max pack already has a decent enough profit built in.

So if they offered the Max Pack for pre-March-1st orders, they'd probably actually be increasing their profit margin on those orders (even if only by a tiny amount).

Even if someone desperately wanted the max pack, I don't see them paying the extra $20k difference just to get it, as jtshaw said. More likely, you'd take delivery of your pre-March-1st vehicle and flip it, so Rivian wouldn't gain anything.

Hopefully they think of that. (I'd probably be fine if they wanted to charge pre-March-1st orders a small premium to get the max pack, like $11k or $12k, though I think they'd just be decreasing the uptake without gaining much in profit.)

 

[RBR1S]

Honestly, I'm a bit miffed about the Max pack option, I would be WAY up the line in the R1S reservation list if they had just said no max pack. I waited a long time for the option to show before making my reservation.

If they don't do a Max pack, I'll figure out how to deal with 316m range, if they do, I'll weigh "waiting" for it, again....

That being said, I map out trips now and I know that extra 100 miles would change a LOT of trips for me by eliminating charge stops. PNW has a lot of remote stuff currently with limited if any charge options, and I'd like to arrive at camp with enough usable power to take advantage of things like the 110v power plugs.

 

[Zybane]

Honestly, I'm a bit miffed about the Max pack option, I would be WAY up the line in the R1S reservation list if they had just said no max pack. I waited a long time for the option to show before making my reservation.

If they don't do a Max pack, I'll figure out how to deal with 316m range, if they do, I'll weigh "waiting" for it, again....

That being said, I map out trips now and I know that extra 100 miles would change a LOT of trips for me by eliminating charge stops. PNW has a lot of remote stuff currently with limited if any charge options, and I'd like to arrive at camp with enough usable power to take advantage of things like the 110v power plugs.

Oh ya and I forgot to mention, charging from 80-100% to get that full 275 mile range with the 20" AT tires typically only means from leaving your house or overnight stay to the FIRST charger. Not too many people are going to want to spend an EXTRA 45 minutes over what they've already spent charging to get to 80%, going from 80 to 100%. At least routinely.

Remove the top 20% and bottom 5% of charging, leaves you with 206 miles of range, in ideal conditions, with AT tires on the large pack. This is why a Max pack in the R1S is so appealing.

 

[jtshaw]

Honestly, I'm a bit miffed about the Max pack option, I would be WAY up the line in the R1S reservation list if they had just said no max pack. I waited a long time for the option to show before making my reservation.

If they don't do a Max pack, I'll figure out how to deal with 316m range, if they do, I'll weigh "waiting" for it, again....

That being said, I map out trips now and I know that extra 100 miles would change a LOT of trips for me by eliminating charge stops. PNW has a lot of remote stuff currently with limited if any charge options, and I'd like to arrive at camp with enough usable power to take advantage of things like the 110v power plugs.

In case it helps you feel better... I've covered the PacNW pretty thoroughly in my 2018 Model 3 LR RWD (~310 miles of quote range) and it's pretty doable with short or no stops most of the time. The NW corner of the Olympic Peninsula and the Winthrop/Thorp areas are probably the hairiest.

 

[moosehead]

Is later this year > or < soon?

 

[TexasBob]

Oh ya and I forgot to mention, charging from 80-100% to get that full 275 mile range with the 20" AT tires typically only means from leaving your house or overnight stay to the FIRST charger. Not too many people are going to want to spend an EXTRA 45 minutes over what they've already spent charging to get to 80%, going from 80 to 100%. At least routinely.

Remove the top 20% and bottom 5% of charging, leaves you with 206 miles of range, in ideal conditions, with AT tires on the large pack. This is why a Max pack in the R1S is so appealing.

And let us not forget that this is when it is new. Even very well managed battery system will lose 7% - 10% of capacity in the first five years and then level off.

By year 5, your 316 will be more like 295 and your 275 is more like 255. Extra range is almost always worth it when you can get it.

 

[srnyoung]

I've gone back and forth on the Max pack.
Since my EV experience is in a 2018 eGolf (~90 mi range in the summer), I'm quite used to using the full 100% of my battery and charging often. For the vast majority of my driving, this car is great because it's: 1) quite efficient (3.4 kW/h on average) 2) holds more stuff than my old Suzuki SUV, 3) still fun to drive and even after R1T shows up, I'll drive it to/from work many days leaving the truck for my wife to drive errands in during her WFH lunches.
The main reason the Max Pack was attractive was for towing. We have a trailer and that extra ~50 mi might mean a real difference in getting to the next charger on a road trip.
Otherwise, unless you are driving more than 200 miles at a stretch A LOT, or towing, I'd argue that the extra weight is wasted, just draining your efficiency.
(In the end, I opted for Large so I could get the truck before [who knows].)

 

[RBR1S]

In case it helps you feel better... I've covered the PacNW pretty thoroughly in my 2018 Model 3 LR RWD (~310 miles of quote range) and it's pretty doable with short or no stops most of the time. The NW corner of the Olympic Peninsula and the Winthrop/Thorp areas are probably the hairiest.

That's 100% correct about the Olympic peninsula. You know, the outdoorsy/camping/remote/rugged/etc... target area of Rivian vehicles.

For those wondering, Stop at Aberdeen or Port Angeles and charge up before heading to Ho Rain Forest or other remote parts of the peninsula. There are a few J-1772 scattered per Plugshare including Forks and the Quillayute River Resort (also a Tesla charger for mixed users).

That being said, the longer range of Max pack would still be nice, but where there is a will, there's a way.

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