R2 Range Limitations and Rivian's Response

[Robaire]

Even with 5% battery degradation, which would be unusually high, the Model Y Premium AWD would still likely have more real highway range than a brand-new R2.

And most buyers will compare every dual-motor R2, including the Performance, with the Model Y Premium AWD, because both the R2 Premium and R2 Performance carry the same 330-mile EPA rating.

Assuming 5% battery degradation in the Model Y Premium AWD:

City-heavy/mixed, 100%–0%
Model Y AWD: ~310 miles
R2: ~270–300 miles

70 mph, 100%–0%
Model Y AWD: ~280–315 miles
R2: ~250–255 miles

75 mph, 100%–0%
Model Y AWD: ~265–285 miles
R2: ~250–260 miles

70 mph, 100%–20%
Model Y AWD: ~225–250 miles
R2: ~200 miles

75 mph, 100%–20%
Model Y AWD: ~210–230 miles
R2: ~200–208 miles

I highly recommend checking the battery section at teslamotorsclub. 5% degradation is incredibly unrealistic! After 2 years, ~12% degradation is not uncommon. I consider myself lucky I have only ~14% degradation on my 4.5 year old 3. That should not change much as long as I only charge above 55% if I'm going to make a trip that needs it. The Tesla Panasonic NCA batteries are notorious for high degradation. Tesla made a few cars that had LG NMC batteries. Those LG batteries seem to hold up better. There's only one data point showing the Y doing better than 300 miles at 70 mph.

I'm not saying the Y is bad. The one or two trips I'll make off paved roads in a year could result in a very expensive tow and repair on a Y.

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[rvnxyz001]

I highly recommend checking the battery section at teslamotorsclub. 5% degradation is incredibly unrealistic! After 2 years, ~12% degradation is not uncommon. I consider myself lucky I have only ~14% degradation on my 4.5 year old 3. That should not change much as long as I only charge above 55% if I'm going to make a trip that needs it. The Tesla Panasonic NCA batteries are notorious for high degradation. Tesla made a few cars that had LG NMC batteries. Those LG batteries seem to hold up better. There's only one data point showing the Y doing better than 300 miles at 70 mph.

I'm not saying the Y is bad. The one or two trips I'll make off paved roads in a year could result in a very expensive tow and repair on a Y.

You think R2 is not going to degrade the same way?

 

[richguess]

So, in everyone’s opinion, what hwy range can I reasonable expect at no more than 75 mph charged to 100%? We do trips of 410 miles and would like to do them with one charge, maybe to 90%. Route would be from Newport Beach CA to Kettleman City, then on to Walnut Creek. Thx in advance.

 

[TexasBob]

I agree with this. Interesting that EV veterans seem to be less concerned.

Personally, my wife and I are more concerned about range having owned six EVs we are absolutely done with mediocre range, slow charging vehicles. But we do road trips often enough that it is a real PITA.

At the end of the day, the current R2 is still a great road tripper. Plenty of high speed chargers available. driving +200 miles (+3 hours) will equate to a stopping somewhere near the end of that distance to use the restroom, get a bite to eat while also charging up for 15-20 min to do your next leg...

If it does not matter to you, totally fair, but what you have written here is not representative of the data. If you start out at 100% you can stop after 200 miles then charge for 30 minutes then you will get another 150 miles of range (assuming you are driving a nice 70 mph in good weather).

 

[Robaire]

"You think R2 is not going to degrade the same way? "

Fair point. Time will tell how these batteries hold up. There is data out there that the Panasonic NCA batteries in Teslas degrade faster than the NMC their competitors use.

 

[rvnxyz001]

So, in everyone’s opinion, what hwy range can I reasonable expect at no more than 75 mph charged to 100%? We do trips of 410 miles and would like to do them with one charge, maybe to 90%. Route would be from Newport Beach CA to Kettleman City, then on to Walnut Creek. Thx in advance.

About 210 miles with 15 percent remaining, more if you slow down , stuck in traffic etc

 

[sparked]

You think R2 is not going to degrade the same way?

R2 is NCMA. Different chemistries so the expectation shouldn't be the same.

 

[DJFrerichs]

If range is a concern to you over everything else it provides vs the others, then the current R2 is not for you. I suspect you will get more than 150miles in 30 min charged as this charged better than any other 400v on the market. If you aren’t stopping for something every 3.5-4 hours of driving, which would equate to this range at those speeds, I would be shocked.

 

[Apprunner]

R2 is NCMA. Different chemistries so the expectation shouldn't be the same.

The NCMA has manganese to help add stability to the battery so I fully expect the R2 battery degradation to be far superior to the Tesla.

 

[rvnxyz001]

At the end of the day, the current R2 is still a great road tripper. Plenty of high speed chargers available. driving +200 miles

If you’re okay with a 200-mile range, you can get two Toyota EVs for the price of one R2: drive one yourself and rent the other out on Turo. It might even have better range in some conditions.

 

[DJFrerichs]

If you’re okay with a 200-mile range, you can get two Toyota EVs for the price of one R2: drive one yourself and rent the other out on Turo. It might even have better range in some conditions.

Omg you people. Toyota software is garbage that you anre stuck with little to no updates going forward and not worth even paying for. But if that suits your fancy, knock yourself out.

 

[extrapolated_gazelle]

The thing is Rivian hasn’t done anything wrong. We can sit here all day and agree the numbers don’t match but neither Rivian nor the EPA broke any rules. The EPA tests allow way too much flexibility in what can be reported. The whole system is broken and Rivian isn’t the first to abuse it.

I would argue that saying Rivian hasn't done anything wrong and also saying that they abused a broken system are incompatible statements. Just because the rules allow enough flexibility to make something seem better than it is doesn't mean doing so is right.

That being said, I also think that the range concerns here are totally overblown, and I say that as someone who makes a 1600 mile drive twice a year.

 

[TexasBob]

So, in everyone’s opinion, what hwy range can I reasonable expect at no more than 75 mph charged to 100%? We do trips of 410 miles and would like to do them with one charge, maybe to 90%. Route would be from Newport Beach CA to Kettleman City, then on to Walnut Creek. Thx in advance.

Never going to happen. You have a net >4,000 ft cumulative elevation gain. If it was flat, good weather, no wind, perfectly located charger, new battery you could pull it off with a 40 minute charge and stopping at a 10% SOC. A 30 minute stop and a 10-15 minute stop will get you there.

 

[RivianTrackr]

I would argue that saying Rivian hasn't done anything wrong and also saying that they abused a broken system are incompatible statements. Just because the rules allow enough flexibility to make something seem better than it is doesn't mean doing so is right.

That being said, I also think that the range concerns here are totally overblown, and I say that as someone who makes a 1600 mile drive twice a year.

When I say Rivian hasn’t done anything wrong, I mean that they followed what the EPA legally allows. What they legally allow is very flawed.

 

[rvnxyz001]

Omg you people. Toyota software is garbage that you anre stuck with little to no updates going forward and not worth even paying for. But if that suits your fancy, knock yourself out.

What software? To start a car and set AC ?

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