Where is the new Gen2 Quad???

[Newtonrj]

Slightly tangential - but if the engineer in kyle's 9000 hour long video is to be believed the quad motors are now called "Ascend", to go along with the new "Ascend" trim.

Apparently they are more or less the same as the enduro motors, but with some slight modifications to fit 2 motors in the same housing. (and of course a modified electrical/cooling package to match)

From Kyle at OutOfSpec

Kyle Conner on "X" OutofSpec R1 Gen 2 review

"We are familiar with the Enduro three-in-one unit from the Dual-Motor configuration but the new Ascent motor comprises two motors into one drive unit casing. There are two variants of the new Ascent motor, a large unit (110mm) for the rear axle of the tri and quad configurations and a smaller more efficient variant (85mm) which is used on the front axle of the quad-motor R1. "

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[mpshizzle]

From Kyle at OutOfSpec

Kyle Conner on "X" OutofSpec R1 Gen 2 review

"We are familiar with the Enduro three-in-one unit from the Dual-Motor configuration but the new Ascent motor comprises two motors into one drive unit casing. There are two variants of the new Ascent motor, a large unit (110mm) for the rear axle of the tri and quad configurations and a smaller more efficient variant (85mm) which is used on the front axle of the quad-motor R1. "

Thank you for backing me with sources haha

 

[Race3]

From Kyle at OutOfSpec

Kyle Conner on "X" OutofSpec R1 Gen 2 review

"We are familiar with the Enduro three-in-one unit from the Dual-Motor configuration but the new Ascent motor comprises two motors into one drive unit casing. There are two variants of the new Ascent motor, a large unit (110mm) for the rear axle of the tri and quad configurations and a smaller more efficient variant (85mm) which is used on the front axle of the quad-motor R1. "

Oddly, Kyle also posted the day the Motor Trend article came out that his Quad review would come the next day... but it never did! I feel like Rivian told him not to share it. I wonder if Motor Trend's review came out accidentally, without Rivian permission. But it's been completely silent since then.

Come on Rivian... give some info please! It's to your advantage!

 

[GogglesPisano]

There is zero incentive to release details early. Why do you think Tesla doesn't advertise the new model? Once you see what's coming, why would you buy what's out now? The only thing it would do is convince people to wait instead of buying today.

 

[Race3]

There is zero incentive to release details early. Why do you think Tesla doesn't advertise the new model? Once you see what's coming, why would you buy what's out now? The only thing it would do is convince people to wait instead of buying today.

actually, Tesla does the opposite but to the extreme. They announce models that take over five years to arrive. Rivian has already announced the quad and they’ve announced some performance figures and not others. They’ve also started taking deposits. So it’s not unreasonable to want to know a better estimate of when it’s arriving and what the range is.

 

[Killer95Stang]

A bit tangential: I am all for Rivian bring out the upcoming 1,000 HP Quad motor, sure. But I think it's too much power for the chassis and I don't want one. I own the current 835 HP quad motor R1S and I also own an even faster Porsche Taycan - which I mention so you know that I am not scared of horsepower. When I push the go-pedal in the Taycan, my brain says "nice, but this chassis could easily take more. Maybe I want a Taycan Turbo GT". When I hit the pedal in the R1S, my brain says "Wow, so this feels a bit out of control. I'm going to ease off a bit."
So a Rivian with even more power? Nope! In fact, if I had it to do again, I'd go dual motor performance in the Rivian - it's more than enough - and I'd save the horsepower for the sportier cars.

Curious... is your Quad on 20" AT's? I had a chance to ride in a new Ascend Quad as a passsenger and with wide quad offset width tires, it felt super planted. It also scared the crap out of me, but that has more to do with being on a public street, taking a full launch. I know our quad feels a little squirly when I launch on the AT's and a feels marginally better with the 22's.

 

[portdirect]

Page 11 from the Q3 shareholder letter:

In addition, we expect to launch the Quad-Motor variant in 2025.

The use of "expect" suggests that the timeline isn't fixed yet and allows for possible delays, potentially even into 2026? I hope not, but without a quarter, or stronger language it feels like there's still potentially a long way to go?

 

[j.w.s]

Curious... is your Quad on 20" AT's? I had a chance to ride in a new Ascend Quad as a passsenger and with wide quad offset width tires, it felt super planted. It also scared the crap out of me, but that has more to do with being on a public street, taking a full launch. I know our quad feels a little squirly when I launch on the AT's and a feels marginally better with the 22's.

My R1S is on 22 sport bright wheels with Pirelli Scorpion Zero all-season tires. And I drive in Sport mode, with its lower ride height. The Rivian suspension is very good for an SUV - not floaty and with very low body roll for its height and ground clearance - but it's still a big tall not-sports-car that just feels overpowered at 835HP.

 

[LittonLad]

Chatting to staff in a Rivian space this week, they said theirs is in Normal and built, so they expect it in the Rivian space in a month. So I guess they are pretty close.

absolute certainty and clarity!! You’re welcome!

 

[Dark-Fx]

exactly -- which would make me think it would be BENEFICIAL for them to get this out sooner than later, as they might capture more orders from people delayed from the shortage. At minimum, there should be more communication. Even the sales guys have no idea if it's January 2025 or December 2025... which makes it very difficult to plan.

And regarding Motor Trend, their range estimate wasn't good, but I also suspect may not be entirely accurate and Rivian should come out and let us know the expected range. Not much different than letting us know it's expected performance, which they've already done.

It's on another line, it's not like they have everything done and just aren't making them. They probably are trying to push the timeline as far forward as they can, but IMO they absolutely can't get it wrong and have their new flagship models have problems.

Slightly tangential - but if the engineer in kyle's 9000 hour long video is to be believed the quad motors are now called "Ascend", to go along with the new "Ascend" trim.



Apparently they are more or less the same as the enduro motors, but with some slight modifications to fit 2 motors in the same housing. (and of course a modified electrical/cooling package to match)

Rivian considers the ascent motors to be generation 3. Bosch being gen 1 and Enduro gen 2.

 

[Riv_Ian]

I have an R1T Quad Motor. I have launched numerous times and it has never felt out of control - impressively so - other than the one time I foolishly did so on a gravel road. You could hear and feel it scrambling for traction. It was definitely impressive how well it did, just stupid of me to do it under the circumstances. I wonder if the feeling of it being too much power for the chassis is due to R1S vs. R1T suspension tuning/balance.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Some people need refresher on how to use calendars?

 

[sub]

A bit tangential: I am all for Rivian bringing out the upcoming 1,000 HP Quad motor, sure. But I think it's too much power for the chassis and I don't want one. I own the current 835 HP quad motor R1S and I also own an even faster Porsche Taycan - which I mention so you know that I am not scared of horsepower. When I push the go-pedal in the Taycan, my brain says "nice, but this chassis could easily take more. Maybe I want a Taycan Turbo GT". When I hit the pedal in the R1S, my brain says "Wow, so this feels a bit out of control. I'm going to ease off a bit."
So a Rivian with even more power? Nope! In fact, if I had it to do again, I'd go dual motor performance in the Rivian - it's more than enough - and I'd save the horsepower for the sportier cars.

Have you given it a good workout recently?

I felt the same way as you a year ago. My Rivan felt quite unsafe at high throttle compared to my similarly fast Tesla. It didn't stop me from flooring it at every opportunity, but unlike when driving my Tesla, I felt guilty about it.

But recently I have been thinking that it feels way more controlled than I remember. It could just be a year and a half of practice, but I don't think I am that much better of a driver. I think they've been tweaking the traction control system over the last year, and it's making a difference.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

A bit tangential: I am all for Rivian bringing out the upcoming 1,000 HP Quad motor, sure. But I think it's too much power for the chassis and I don't want one. I own the current 835 HP quad motor R1S and I also own an even faster Porsche Taycan - which I mention so you know that I am not scared of horsepower. When I push the go-pedal in the Taycan, my brain says "nice, but this chassis could easily take more. Maybe I want a Taycan Turbo GT". When I hit the pedal in the R1S, my brain says "Wow, so this feels a bit out of control. I'm going to ease off a bit."
So a Rivian with even more power? Nope! In fact, if I had it to do again, I'd go dual motor performance in the Rivian - it's more than enough - and I'd save the horsepower for the sportier cars.

Completely agree. My wife has a BMW i4M50 which is a slower car on paper than my R1 quad but it is my go fast car. The handling is so much better and how the power is available is much more fun. I wouldn't want a faster than my current quad so I went with a tri motor. The R1 handles amazingly for its size and how high off the ground it is. You still have that qualifier that you don't have with the i4.

 

[NorthVan57]

I took my quad on a racetrack in Duncan BC Ba fit felt excellent, except for the AT tires, which kind of wrecked the cornering. Took all four motors into the red, was tracking it with Porsches, Subarus and other sports cars, super fun and very planted during acceleration and braking, just terrible traction in the corners. Great experience!

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