Dual or Quad Motor?

[jtshaw]

I'd assume there will be one but who knows how significant or insignificant, but the dual motor definitely will be enough for 80% of people I'm sure.

99% of people probably. I certainly don't need the quad motors. If both variants were available in LE trim for me I'd go with a dual setup. But... It isn't... so I'll have (responsible) fun at every stoplight with those quad motors.

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[R1T7777]

For the average person that will use the R1T as a daily driver and for the weekend adventure, which is the right choice-dual or quad motor? Is it worth the extra $6,000 to have that extra power and off-road capability?

I loved that the quad motor was standard, but now I'm not sure if I really need it. Granted, $6,000 seems like a pretty good deal to get two more motors. Also to note is that the Hummer EV has a 2 or 3 motor option and the 3 motor package is a $10k increase and the Lightning only offers a 2 motor option.

Neither. At this point Rivian has lost my confidence in them as a trustworthy company, and they've lost their price competitiveness. With the continued delays they are losing their first mover advantage. Cancelled my order and am wondering about what to do with my stock...

 

[Kenmecca]

I personally think the dual motors is fine for my needs, but I dont see the vehicle market coming down price/demand wise. So unless they locked me into 2022 prices for 2024, Im not waiting for a dual motor and 2+ years of price "corrections". The $16k+ increase I received yesterday certainly pauses my enthusiasm, and Ill have until Q4 to see how this shakes out.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

I am sure it will not be a big change for a daily driver but:
The bigger question is what is the next downgrade to keep your purchase price from going thru the roof

Glass roof. Mark my words.

 

[ironpig]

quad motor is cool - dual motor is great. None of that matters.

The real question is why did it take so long for them to finally admit that 4 individual motors was going to be way more expensive than the dual motor set up that most all other AWD EVs have gone with? It's like the Tesla Falcon doors on the Model X - Giant mistake. Over engineered and not worth it to customers.

 

[E.S.]

The real question is why did it take so long for them to finally admit that 4 individual motors was going to be way more expensive than the dual motor set up that most all other AWD EVs have gone with?

Huh? Granted that it wasn't announced, but in what universe did you truly expect the Quad-motor to cost as much or less than the dual motor? I get that people are upset at the price hikes and rightfully so, but quad motor pricing being great than dual motor pricing was a no-brainer. Anyone who thought otherwise was just fooling themselves.

 

[ironpig]

Huh? Granted that it wasn't announced, but in what universe did you truly expect the Quad-motor to cost as much or less than the dual motor? I get that people are upset at the price hikes and rightfully so, but quad motor pricing being great than dual motor pricing was a no-brainer. Anyone who thought otherwise was just fooling themselves.

No you completely missed the point. The 4 motor design for the launch vehicle was the big mistake and the supply chain crisis only made it an even bigger blunder . That's why they had to pivot and start developing the dual motor that they are NOW offering.

They could have easily started with a dual motor config and introduced a more expensive quad motor performance version later for a premium price like every other manufacturer has done when needing to increase revenue.

 

[E.S.]

No you completely missed the point. The 4 motor design for the launch vehicle was the big mistake and the supply chain crisis only made it an even bigger blunder . That's why they had to pivot and start developing the dual motor that they are NOW offering.

They could have easily started with a dual motor config and introduced a more expensive quad motor performance version later for a premium price like every other manufacturer has done when needing to increase revenue.

I hear ya. But I doubt Rivian would have done so. Usually start ups 'start up' with their most lucrative options to generate more funds that will open the venues towards the lesser expensive variants/options down the road when their ramping capacity increases to the point of being able to do so. As to the decision to why it's done this way is somewhat perplexing, but I guess they wanted to show off their big guns first.

 

[ironpig]

I hear ya. But I doubt Rivian would have done so. Usually start ups 'start up' with their most lucrative options to generate more funds that will open the venues towards the lesser expensive variants/options down the road when their ramping capacity increases to the point of being able to do so. As to the decision to why it's done this way is somewhat perplexing, but I guess they wanted to show off their big guns first.

Certainly there are different strategies but if you look at the evolution of the model S - it’s the performance variants with added motors and launch performance that allowed them to charge even more for basically the same car.


I think a dual motor Rivian is still so unique it would have been a better product to launch first. Especially when they are buying their electric motors and need 4 motors for every vehicle which became even more challenging during the supply chain crisis.

Or if they wanted to lead with the best, They should have priced it up market to begin with. My model S 85 was almost 100k in 2014. I thought it was crazy to think I could get a Rivian that’s faster and better in almost every way for 20k less when it launched this year which is why I put my deposit down early.

Porsche does the same thing with every new variant of 911 - launch the base model, then Turbo 6 months later, then GT3 6 months after that, GT2 etc. people are so excited about the “new 911” that they pay for the base model because it’s available and then buy the GT3 when it comes out a year later. (I know it’s not the same kind of car but it makes a situation where the base model is so desirable at the start.)

 

[dleepnw]

hard to say since we dont have any real specs on the dual motor other than 0-60 in 4 sec, 600hp, 600lbft torque. what are the differences in performance and capability both on and off road? seems like we'd lose a lot. is the suspension system going to be the same with the dual? range goes from 316 with the quad to 320+ miles with the dual, which means is practically no efficiency gain.

 

[goldburger]

with rivian moving towards in house motor design do you think rivian will not prioritize serving the bosch motors, i.e. parts in stock, etc.?

 

[SeaGeo]

with rivian moving towards in house motor design do you think rivian will not prioritize serving the bosch motors, i.e. parts in stock, etc.?

It's going to be interesting to see what they do with their quad motor variant. I'm sure they'll service them. If anything, I feel a little better long term having a motor from Bosch than a limited supply startup. Either way, if Rivian goes poof, it'll be a pain to service.

 

[Bee]

I would normally opt for the dual motor but with the reservation at the old price I'll keep it quad. Is that going to be everyone? If they let me take off $6,000 off the old price I'd opt for dual motor, maybe*. At 40 and having owned a bunch of new cars I'll wait for the right config at the right price but this is a unique situation.

*Part of me wants to keep it highest desirability and resale, I expect that part of me to lose when times come to purchase and I actually pencil the math

Let's be honest, the dual motor truck is absolutely amazing and more power than this truck needs, even with the weight and I can still smoke a Mustang GT... in a truck.

 

[mini2nut]

The in house designed Dual Motor looks promising. The bottom line is that it’s still two years away from production. Also, didn’t Rivian just learn a lesson about posting MSRP’s for a product that is at least two years away?

Rivian is currently enjoying the spotlight in the BEV pickup truck world. Once the Quad Motor Cybertruck goes into production that light will dim significantly.

 

[Bee]

Once the Quad Motor Cybertruck goes into production that light will dim significantly.

Could not disagree more. Regardless of whether or not the Cybertruck will be a success, certainly it will be polarizing.

The F150 is certainly impressive but approaches the BEV light truck from a completely different angle and the Silverado is just as far away as the dual motors.

I think there will be years of R1T success before the Cybertruck even hits the market (if?) and Ford's got a different product on top of not being able to meet supply to demand.

There's over 12 million SUVs and trucks sold in the US every year and the R1T/R1S represent one of the most desirable products in that market with limited competition and only able to deliver 6 figures at best within the coming years. It's going to be interesting, hold on to your reservations folks. The quad motor thing is just more icing on that cake, even when the Cybertruck starts being delivered in limited numbers.

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