Top 5 Reasons Switching to a Tesla Dominated NACS Standard is a Colossal Mistake for the Consumer

[jbowen52]

Ackchooly... there are DCFC adapters that allow a Tesla to charge at a CS charger but I have yet to see one that allows a CCS vehicle to charge at a Tesla charger. Please post a link if I am mistaken.

You are currently correct. I have been looking for one too. As the CCS chargers go away as more vehicles go to NACS it won't matter as there is already a way for Tesla or NASC to charge at CCS chargers. I'm looking downstream as if the entire north American system moves to NACS.

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[SASSquatch]

But it’s a CCS-2 plug which is not compatible with CCS-1.

It's not compatible with CCS-1 because Europeans have to be different. It is based on the open CCS standard, however.

There are minor differences, including a slightly more compact charger plug. Of course America has to have the biggest, fattest plug available. That's how we roll...

 

[NineElectrics]

The newer EA stations are mostly coming with a single longer cable.

 

[NineElectrics]

I would just switch the slots for Chademo with the NACS since there must be very few old Leafs out there now going on road trips with there <100 mile range.

I think they're way ahead of you; on every EA charger I've seen there is only one CHAdeMO plug in an entire group of four stalls. I'm surprised LEAF batteries have even lasted this long. I think the old Kia Soul EVs had them too, but that's another 100 mile car.

 

[SASSquatch]

I think they're way ahead of you; on every EA charger I've seen there is only one CHAdeMO plug in an entire group of four stalls. I'm surprised LEAF batteries have even lasted this long. I think the old Kia Soul EVs had them too, but that's another 100 mile car.

Hey man, don't knock those 100 mile cars! I am shocked how many Leafs I see on the road still. Nissan must have done something right for their batteries to have lasted this long.

 

[Autolycus]

You mean without all the fascists actively silencing people they didn't like? Free speech is always better than censorship even when, especially when, you don't like what the other people have to say. It was a cesspool of radical leftists before Elon, and now it's an equally shitty cesspool of all ideologies. I don't have social media outside of this for that reason.

Regardless, the absolute worst thing ever is when a company thinks they have the right to infringe on foundational constitutional rights. Private company or not, I do not support anyone who infringes on the rights endowed upon us by our creator.

FYI: Twitter has blocked content at the request of governments at a higher rate since Elon took over. He is a "free speech absolutist" who is all to happy to do whatever a truly authoritarian government asks, as long as it's in his personal financial interest to do so.

 

[Megaman0025]

Wow, a lot of you guys here are really missing the point. Tesla, and more so the big boogie Elon does not control the NACS connector standard. It is open for all, can likely be changed by a committee. What Elon does control is the supercharger network.

Even if the super charger network wasn’t up for grabs, I would still argue in favor of switching to NACS because we need ONE standard. It’s the only way to push adoption further.
Also you guys and this bizarre fear of Elon is hilarious to me. As if you have to agree with everything he’s ever done or he’s a crazy man, and no one can appreciate what he’s done for the EV world. The guy has repeatedly done more for pushing this forward than anyone, and has given total open source access to his tech.

I think some of you don’t have enough problems in life to be so worried and about upset about Elon. I don’t give a shit what he does or doesn’t do - it doesn’t affect my purchasing decisions or product use choices. NACS is not different, it’s just a superior tech. Osama Bin Laden could have deigned it and I would still vote for it.

 

[COdogman]

Wow, a lot of you guys here are really missing the point. Tesla, and more so the big boogie Elon does not control the NACS connector standard. It is open for all, can likely be changed by a committee. What Elon does control is the supercharger network.

Even if the super charger network wasn’t up for grabs, I would still argue in favor of switching to NACS because we need ONE standard. It’s the only way to push adoption further.
Also you guys and this bizarre fear of Elon is hilarious to me. As if you have to agree with everything he’s ever done or he’s a crazy man, and no one can appreciate what he’s done for the EV world. The guy has repeatedly done more for pushing this forward than anyone, and has given total open source access to his tech.

I think some of you don’t have enough problems in life to be so worried and about upset about Elon. I don’t give a shit what he does or doesn’t do - it doesn’t affect my purchasing decisions or product use choices. NACS is not different, it’s just a superior tech. Osama Bin Laden could have deigned it and I would still vote for it.

So who decides if the Tesla branded plug or cable gets changed in the future for safety or security reasons?

Who’s accountable?

Who plans for future improvements?

Also, “open” in this sense is defined by Tesla. It’s “open” to all as long as Tesla decides those who use their patents are “acting in good faith.”

https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pledge

That’s not open.

 

[RivAW]

Points 2-5 assume you are charging at a Tesla SC vs using a NACS in general. With NACS being open (and the standard going forward) non-Tesla charge companies (e.g. EVgo, Chargepoint, etc.) will eventually support NACS. If you think the SC network and/or Tesla is terrible you will have options and can use one of the other (smaller) networks and Tesla will not get a single penny from you. I for one will be using the massive SC network when it opens up to Rivian to greatly improve my road trip experience. Those that are willing to have a lot less charge options and a less easy road trip experience in favor of making a personal moral stand can certainly still do that.

The problem with what you say is that it assumes the other networks supporting NACS will somehow make them more reliable. It seems to me that they are in this “predicament” not because one technology is necessarily better than the other but because “everyone else” has simply done the bare minimum to collect govt subsidies and their networks and customer service are lacking (although I’ve admittedly recently had a few good experiences at both EVGO and EA). The demand is for a reliable charger network…this is free market at work

 

[RivAW]

Wow, a lot of you guys here are really missing the point. Tesla, and more so the big boogie Elon does not control the NACS connector standard. It is open for all, can likely be changed by a committee. What Elon does control is the supercharger network.

Even if the super charger network wasn’t up for grabs, I would still argue in favor of switching to NACS because we need ONE standard. It’s the only way to push adoption further.
Also you guys and this bizarre fear of Elon is hilarious to me. As if you have to agree with everything he’s ever done or he’s a crazy man, and no one can appreciate what he’s done for the EV world. The guy has repeatedly done more for pushing this forward than anyone, and has given total open source access to his tech.

I think some of you don’t have enough problems in life to be so worried and about upset about Elon. I don’t give a shit what he does or doesn’t do - it doesn’t affect my purchasing decisions or product use choices. NACS is not different, it’s just a superior tech. Osama Bin Laden could have deigned it and I would still vote for it.

Agree completely except that I think the big desire here is the tesla sc network because it is the best and most reliable. I don’t know that many people really care that much about the tech differences between CCS and NACS …they just want fast, reliable and available charging

 

[Joel]

FYI: Twitter has blocked content at the request of governments at a higher rate since Elon took over. He is a "free speech absolutist" who is all to happy to do whatever a truly authoritarian government asks, as long as it's in his personal financial interest to do so.

I think this is some people in the suppression department intentionally blocking more because it Elon running it.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

Ackchooly... there are DCFC adapters that allow a Tesla to charge at a CS charger but I have yet to see one that allows a CCS vehicle to charge at a Tesla charger. Please post a link if I am mistaken.

There won't ever be a you-just-need-an-adapter scenario for a SuC that's not "Magic Dock compliant" if a company hasn't been setup with Tesla.

First, you need a vehicle that handles the NACS protocols, but let's say you buy a new vehicle that does, and you buy a CCS-to-Tesla NACS adapter - since there's no UI on a stall, the car has to be able to communicate to the backend, send some kind of vehicle/account credentials, those have to be "in the system" so to speak, there has to be a billing mechanism, etc.

In other words, there's no option where, say, BMW says their CCS ports handle NACS, you get a Tesla adapter from their store (or even if some 3rd parties start to offer them ...) and you plug into a SuC stall and it works.

vs. a Tesla at a CCS DCFC, where the billing is handled on the stall and/or in an app by way of selecting the location/stall ID.

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Why the the holy hell didn't CharIn / the CCS compliance groups, etc., determine and implement some kind of standard auth/comm/billing protocols? I get needing to setup different accounts for different providers, but then it should be totally transparent, plug-in, charge.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Wow, a lot of you guys here are really missing the point. Tesla, and more so the big boogie Elon does not control the NACS connector standard. It is open for all, can likely be changed by a committee.

I'll bite. Which committee and how can they obligate Tesla to change too? There is no committee. There is no obligating Tesla. That's just not how their release works.

If your so-called committee decides something and Tesla doesn't follow, hello more connector fragmentation.

 

[Megaman0025]

I'll bite. Which committee and how can they obligate Tesla to change too? There is no committee. There is no obligating Tesla. That's just not how their release works.

If your so-called committee decides something and Tesla doesn't follow, hello more connector fragmentation.

Other than trying to get people off Elons case for not being perfect human being like everyone else that hates on him- I should rephrase the point I was trying to make, and that is, ONE STANDARD of plug is absolutely necessary. The output of the plug and the needed protocols can change, and most certainly will as cars change and voltages change, etc. And because 75 percent of EVS on the road already use NACS, and the supercharger system works really well, we need to change it. Fast.

i have a Rivian deposit, and I just put it on hold for now until we see how many more dominoes will fall.

 

[dleepnw]

i think the most important reason is we dont want one company and in this case in particular, one person, controlling the nations charging infrastructure. whatever the inherent advantages NACS has over CCS.

what do you think would happen if we had only one cell or internet service provider in the US? there's s reason monopolies are not good.

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