Indications of an R1 refresh

[Rividiculous]

Same. Exact. Feeling.

Take away 2 motors, some performance, and some warranty, but make us pay an extra $7k for what amounts to a pittance of kWh vs. what was originally promised? It just didn't/doesn't sit well with me. I would be keeping my big mouth shut if the battery was even half or 2/3's (23/30kwh) larger. But 11 for $7/10k?!?!?

Funny, it didn’t feel that way to me at all. The Quad is still there and still awesome and they would have sold me that for the pre-order price which I think is awesome. I just went for the PDM max option because it’s even better for my particular (unusual) circumstances. (For most people, I would think large would be the better option.)

And while I am now waiting on the refresh b/c I am in no rush, I wouldn’t have waited had they gotten me a PDM max by the end of Feb.

I respect your take on things, just wanted to pipe up to say I’m surprised it doesn’t sit well with you. When they initially jacked up the price on everyone, I thought, “Bummer. That awesome machine might be out of my price range now.” But I knew the deposit didn’t guarantee a price and it was refundable. I ended up delighted that Rivian decided to do us all a solid and honor the old price. I might end up a Rivian guy for life now.

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[camaroz1985]

I don't think that's correct. The latch is a simple pushbutton. There's nothing in it to stop the button from unlatching. Did you see the adapter? How would it lock?

And by the way, how do you know that the refresh won't have NACS? We don't even know for sure when the refresh will be here, so how can you be so sure NACS ports won't be there for the refresh? Or are you just speculating?

There is an actuator on the vehicle inlet that doesn't allow you to disconnect while it is engaged. The button on the adapter (or native CCS connector) is one end of a pivoting arm that needs to lift on the vehicle side to release from the vehicle. The actuator prevents that from lifting, so pushing the button on the adapter (or CCS connector) will do nothing. This is engaged while the vehicle is charging. On the Fords it will stop if you stop in the vehicle, in the app, or with the button from the inlet. On our trucks you can only stop from in the vehicle or in the app, meaning until you tell the truck to stop (or it hits a charge limit and stops by itself) the adapter is locked to the truck.

I know the inlet that is going on the trucks post-shutdown, and it is not NACS.

 

[White Shadow]

There is an actuator on the vehicle inlet that doesn't allow you to disconnect while it is engaged. The button on the adapter (or native CCS connector) is one end of a pivoting arm that needs to lift on the vehicle side to release from the vehicle. The actuator prevents that from lifting, so pushing the button on the adapter (or CCS connector) will do nothing. This is engaged while the vehicle is charging. On the Fords it will stop if you stop in the vehicle, in the app, or with the button from the inlet. On our trucks you can only stop from in the vehicle or in the app, meaning until you tell the truck to stop (or it hits a charge limit and stops by itself) the adapter is locked to the truck.

I know the inlet that is going on the trucks post-shutdown, and it is not NACS.

So maybe you're correct on Rivian, but someone already pulled off the adapter while charging a Ford (yes, without hitting the stop button). And they mentioned that the adapter also doesn't lock to the cable either, so I guess we'll see what happens....

About the shutdown---are you saying that the refresh will happen immediately after the shutdown? And how would you know that? Do you have insider knowledge? I'm asking because nobody seems to really know the details on the refresh other than speculating.

 

[camaroz1985]

So maybe you're correct on Rivian, but someone already pulled off the adapter while charging a Ford (yes, without hitting the stop button). And they mentioned that the adapter also doesn't lock to the cable either, so I guess we'll see what happens....

About the shutdown---are you saying that the refresh will happen immediately after the shutdown? And how would you know that? Do you have insider knowledge? I'm asking because nobody seems to really know the details on the refresh other than speculating.

This "refresh" which is what the plant is shutting down for is largely an electrical architecture change. If there are visible changes they will be minimal. Most changes will be under the skin, and NACS will not be one of them. Yes, I have knowledge of what is happening (to an extent, specifically to the matter at hand), but I can't (or shouldn't) really share more.

 

[Supratachophobia]

Funny, it didn’t feel that way to me at all. The Quad is still there and still awesome and they would have sold me that for the pre-order price which I think is awesome. I just went for the PDM max option because it’s even better for my particular (unusual) circumstances. (For most people, I would think large would be the better option.)

And while I am now waiting on the refresh b/c I am in no rush, I wouldn’t have waited had they gotten me a PDM max by the end of Feb.

I respect your take on things, just wanted to pipe up to say I’m surprised it doesn’t sit well with you. When they initially jacked up the price on everyone, I thought, “Bummer. That awesome machine might be out of my price range now.” But I knew the deposit didn’t guarantee a price and it was refundable. I ended up delighted that Rivian decided to do us all a solid and honor the old price. I might end up a Rivian guy for life now.

Btw, still going to pull the trigger in May and enjoy the crap out of PDM max....

 

[kevster]

I have a pre price hike reservation. They called a couple of weeks ago to try to get me to take delivery. The guide also said that NACS port will not happen until 2026 which sounds suspiciously far away but either way it’s definitely not going to happen this year.

if they make me take delivery for a pre-refresh, it’s going to be a lose-lose situation for everyone. I would rather cancel and lose my $1k deposit and buy one on the used market after refresh. And Rivian would lose the sale.

 

[carsly]

Unless something changed, standard NACS ports were scheduled for 2025.

The question is 2025 Model Year - which could be as soon as this April (but I'd guess the August line takedown meaning vehicles hit dealers/spaces in October) - or 2025 calendar year? Because as far as I know they only have two line shutdowns scheduled this year in April and August so one of them would need to include the changeover to NACS. Given it's already the ides of March, I'll just wait and see.

 

[ThatOneGuy]

The question is 2025 Model Year - which could be as soon as this April (but I'd guess the August line takedown meaning vehicles hit dealers/spaces in October) - or 2025 calendar year? Because as far as I know they only have two line shutdowns scheduled this year in April and August so one of them would need to include the changeover to NACS. Given it's already the ides of March, I'll just wait and see.

I was not tracking the August shutdown. Where was this announced?

 

[White Shadow]

I have a pre price hike reservation. They called a couple of weeks ago to try to get me to take delivery. The guide also said that NACS port will not happen until 2026 which sounds suspiciously far away but either way it’s definitely not going to happen this year.

if they make me take delivery for a pre-refresh, it’s going to be a lose-lose situation for everyone. I would rather cancel and lose my $1k deposit and buy one on the used market after refresh. And Rivian would lose the sale.

Perfectly understandable. I can see lots of people holding off on purchasing just because of NACS alone.

 

[moosetags]

They could reduce cost and generate interest by offering the R1 Explore package (which was originally offered and then withdrawn). They can throw in the J3400 inlet, and I think the R1 sales may enjoy a regeneration. The plant shutdown would be the ideal time to introduce the J3400.

Brian

 

[SeaGeo]

I do wonder, how much longer Rivian will honor pre price hikes? I would not be surprised if they told people who have not taken delivery yet that their pricing will either expire by a certain date if they don’t take delivery or is only valid on certain builds as the model offerings may change so much that they no longer resemble what the reservation was originally placed for.

At some point they will, but they're currently better off letting those few remaining people linger till after the refresh to save money. Refresh vehicles will cost less to make than current R1s do.

Do you have a link to that? If true, that would be extremely unsafe and would likely be immediately pulled from the market. The potential for an arc during a hot unmate would be very high, with substantial risks to both property and life.

There is an actuator on the vehicle inlet that doesn't allow you to disconnect while it is engaged. The button on the adapter (or native CCS connector) is one end of a pivoting arm that needs to lift on the vehicle side to release from the vehicle. The actuator prevents that from lifting, so pushing the button on the adapter (or CCS connector) will do nothing. This is engaged while the vehicle is charging. On the Fords it will stop if you stop in the vehicle, in the app, or with the button from the inlet. On our trucks you can only stop from in the vehicle or in the app, meaning until you tell the truck to stop (or it hits a charge limit and stops by itself) the adapter is locked to the truck.

I think you two may be miscommunicating. The adapter "locks" to the vehicle the same way a CCS cable does right now. You can push the button and stop the charge and remove the adapter from the vehicle. There is a mechanism in the adapter that prevents pulling the NACS plug out until the CCS side is unplugged to make it easier on the equipment. The adapter is not "locked" in the sense that it prevents theft.

 

[Dark-Fx]

The question is 2025 Model Year - which could be as soon as this April (but I'd guess the August line takedown meaning vehicles hit dealers/spaces in October) - or 2025 calendar year? Because as far as I know they only have two line shutdowns scheduled this year in April and August so one of them would need to include the changeover to NACS. Given it's already the ides of March, I'll just wait and see.

I don't think the changeover to NACS will be so complicated they need to shut down the line for more than a normal weekend. Everything I have read about it seems to point to it being calendar year, which could mean as late as 2026 MY vehicles.

 

[camaroz1985]

At some point they will, but they're currently better off letting those few remaining people linger till after the refresh to save money. Refresh vehicles will cost less to make than current R1s do.



I think you two may be miscommunicating. The adapter "locks" to the vehicle the same way a CCS cable does right now. You can push the button and stop the charge and remove the adapter from the vehicle. There is a mechanism in the adapter that prevents pulling the NACS plug out until the CCS side is unplugged to make it easier on the equipment. The adapter is not "locked" in the sense that it prevents theft.

Can you stop the charge at a DCFC by depressing the latch on the charger handle? I'm pretty sure I have tried that and it doesn't depress if the charge is still ongoing (and the actuator is locked in the down position). This is definitely the case for AC charging if the doors are locked, I guess I assumed it was the case for DC as well (and if not, a software update would/should correct that for the sake of adapter security).

 

[JayinNJ]

Remember how the R2’s back window rolled down? I wonder if they could do that in the R1T without impacting the gear tunnel or tonneau.

Why add cost? I personally think they should not have that on the R2.

 

[JayinNJ]

Honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would buy an R1 now when we know the NACS plug is coming soon. The idea of a native NACS plug over having to use an adapter is a big enough reason to wait. Same issue with the F150 Lightnings and other vehicles that will be able to charge at Tesla superchargers.

Using an adapter is not really even an annoyance. I wouldn't wait a year for that.

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