NACS charge port ( SAE J3400 )

[Captblue]

Now that I had the opportunity to process all new features, I don’t see the benefit to switching my wife current electric vehicle (different manufacturer) to a refresh R1S, if it doesn’t have NACS native port. In my situation is not much of an upgrade, every one’s else opinion would very. I think they missed the opportunity to capture new buyers. I have a R1T (1st gen) and I’m very happy with it. My wife keeps taking it, lol.

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[ATL_R1S]

Native NACS is rumored to be coming in production by the end of this year.

 

[BigSkies]

I guess I don’t get the obsession with a native NACS port?

The NACS chargers that are open don’t represent anything near a nationwide network. You’ll probably be using mostly CCS for the next few years anyways. It will take maybe 5ish years for NACS to be the predominant option.

 

[FutureTruck]

I guess I don’t get the obsession with a native NACS port?

The NACS chargers that are open don’t represent anything near a nationwide network. You’ll probably be using mostly CCS for the next few years anyways. It will take maybe 5ish years for NACS to be the predominant option.

Interesting, the newly opened Tesla Superchargers in the area where I road trip VASTLY outnumber CCS stations. But, I live in the south. Probably different in other areas.

But so far the A2Z adapter works great....

 

[Autolycus]

Native NACS is rumored to be coming in production by the end of this year.

Is it? Everything public has said 2025 with a strong suggestion that it could be later in 2025.

Once adapters are readily available -- and 3rd party ones basically are already -- there's very minimal benefit either way to having native J3400 vs. CCS. Right now and for the foreseeable future you will need an adapter either way.

 

[cwang089]

I guess I don’t get the obsession with a native NACS port?

The NACS chargers that are open don’t represent anything near a nationwide network. You’ll probably be using mostly CCS for the next few years anyways. It will take maybe 5ish years for NACS to be the predominant option.

NACS has become the standard and in the future everything should be NACS in the US.

Its like do you still want a Beta max player of VHS built into your entertainment center.

Looking at the videos of the gen 2 port, it looks like the CCS port is removable unlike Gen 1. I suspect it will be able to be retrofitted out. I'm surprised none of the reviewers asked Rivian about it. Or they asked and didnt get an answer

 

[LivingInKaos]

There's no way they'll integrate NACS until the SAE and UL Listings are final. This is why every manufacturer out there that was planning on converting said 2025.... Any delays on that happening will push the integration further out.

 

[Carmelbythesea]

If they refresh the same model year with the NAC they are going to have to bundle first round of cars with the adapter. No one will want them.

If they ever offer V2H. I’m fearful that gen1 will get lost in the shuffle and the charging standard change. I just want 220 plug to power my light duty transfer switch.

 

[Dark-Fx]

There's no way they'll integrate NACS until the SAE and UL Listings are final. This is why every manufacturer out there that was planning on converting said 2025.... Any delays on that happening will push the integration further out.

I think the expectation in manufacturer timing was that the SAE was actually going to have a workable standard right out of the gate, but SAE is already doing a revision because J3400 was incomplete. I agree, there is no way would a company change a mature product to incorporate it when it's still in draft.

 

[BigSkies]

Interesting, the newly opened Tesla Superchargers in the area where I road trip VASTLY outnumber CCS stations. But, I live in the south. Probably different in other areas.

But so far the A2Z adapter works great....

That makes sense. Here in Colorado the NACS network almost entirely overlaps with the CCS network. In many places, the CCS options are within a few blocks of the superchargers. And Tesla’s prices are typically higher.

The only NACS charger in Wyoming is in Casper, which also happens to be one of the few places with a good CCS charger.

But I have seen the reports that the CCS network sucks donkey balls in the south.

 

[Southern R1S]

I guess I don’t get the obsession with a native NACS port?

The NACS chargers that are open don’t represent anything near a nationwide network. You’ll probably be using mostly CCS for the next few years anyways. It will take maybe 5ish years for NACS to be the predominant option.

I'm right there with you. The adapters give you full compatibility, even if not native.

The way I see it is that the current generation of chargers are all basically on two standards (NACS vs. J1772/CCS). Every Tesla owner that I personally know carries an adapter to use J1772/CCS, and every J1772/CCS owner is going to be carrying a NACS adapter moving forward.

In either case, pretty much everyone that owns a current EV (or buys one in the next few years) will be carrying some sort of adapter (outlined above), so why would I be bothered with which plug is native & which one uses an adapter that I can just keep in the frunk for when I need it?

To my knowledge, no one except Tesla is currently producing vehicles that have native NACS ports, so if you are dead set on having NACS native then the only option is going to be to buy a Tesla (and carry a CCS/J1772 adapter for when you need it). Otherwise, just throw the NACS adapter in the frunk and move along.

But I have seen the reports that the CCS network sucks donkey balls in the south.

Very location specific, but I'm in the deep south and CCS is perfectly fine here. It's also extremely inexpensive to fast charge on CCS in my area (using EA). Here are my 4 most recent EA sessions (all between April-May):

• 05/09/24 - 32.9kWh ($4.51)
• 04/27/24 - 53.5kWh ($7.95)
• 04/27/24 - 83.4kWh ($12.34)
• 04/27/24 - 31.5kWh ($7.07)

Add $7 monthly (Pass+ subscription) to the total, so total for those sessions was $38.37 (including subscription fee) for 201.3kWh of energy.

Supercharging rates in my area average around ~$0.49 per kWh, so the same energy would have been just under 3x the cost ($98.64) if I had to use NACS charging on those trips.

 

[ltphoto]

I think its a little overblown to compare needing an adapter for NACS with an adapter for CCS. I had a Tesla for five years and drove all the way from the northwest to south Florida and back two different times. Never needed a CCS adapter and never purchased one. Most Tesla drivers do not have a CCS adapter. There are far more superchargers than CCS here and the coverage of Superchargers is way beyond CCS in most of the country.

I switched to Rivian for many reasons, but simply put, the charging situation is not as good as it was with Tesla. Once you have NACS most people will not need CCS.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Strange criteria. From non-technical consumer POV, it just a different interface specification. Without native NACS port the only inconvenience is use of adapters—a very minor one. Plus, all charging networks that have pledged to switch will not reach full or majority conversion for many years to come. Even if refresh included a native port, you’d find yourself needing an adapter anyway.

The NACS cable and plug is a little less clumsy to manipulate. But that is a minor benefit that you will not enjoy until every charging sites you would use has been converted.

This line you have drawn in the sand is inconsequential.

 

[SANZC02]

I think its a little overblown to compare needing an adapter for NACS with an adapter for CCS. I had a Tesla for five years and drove all the way from the northwest to south Florida and back two different times. Never needed a CCS adapter and never purchased one. Most Tesla drivers do not have a CCS adapter. There are far more superchargers than CCS here and the coverage of Superchargers is way beyond CCS in most of the country.

I switched to Rivian for many reasons, but simply put, the charging situation is not as good as it was with Tesla. Once you have NACS most people will not need CCS.

Just a reminder, the native NACS port on a non-Tesla will not open all Superchargers to those vehicles.

They will still only be have access to the same stations that currently are available with the adapter until the older V1/v2 stations replaced with V3/V4 stations and the older V3 are updated to allow CCS access.

 

[Captblue]

Not sure what CCS station everyone is using, but I have traveled up and down the eastern coast of USA and EA is the worst, and not enough of them ( even the new ones) less than 1/2 work
Tesla are very reliable, the RAN are nice too , but not enough of them.

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