NACS charge port ( SAE J3400 )

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Just a reminder, the native NACS port on a non-Tesla will not open all Superchargers to those vehicles.

They will still only be have access to the same stations that currently are available with the adapter until the older V1/v2 stations replaced with V3/V4 stations and the older V3 are updated to allow CCS access.

Understood. I was mostly reacting to an earlier claim by someone else that most Tesla drivers have CCS adapters. That is definitely not true, and very few actually need a CCS adapter because of lack of coverage by superchargers. My Rivian is great, but I will stand by my statement that the charging situation on CCS is not anywhere close to NACS, for Tesla or otherwise. I would not want to do a cross-country roadtrip on CCS only. I will have an adapter before taking a long road trip and will have the use of many more chargers which will be a better situation.

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[Captblue]

Not sure why we are coming with excuses for CCS, the debate is done. CCS lost, that’s the reason it J3400 became the new standard.

Back to my original post, RIVIAN may loose the opportunity to be the 1st in having a native NACS.

¿Would you go to the store and buy a VHS when you know the DVD player is better and VHS is discontinued.?

 

[Autolycus]

¿Would you go to the store and buy a VHS when you know the DVD player is better and VHS is discontinued.?

That's a pretty hilariously inapt analogy. The more apt one would be something like a change from VHS to VHS-C where the underlying tech is identical but the form factor is different and there's an adapter that lets you use VHS-C tapes in your full-size VHS deck.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Not sure why we are coming with excuses for CCS, the debate is done. CCS lost, that’s the reason it J3400 became the new standard.

Back to my original post, RIVIAN may loose the opportunity to be the 1st in having a native NACS.

¿Would you go to the store and buy a VHS when you know the DVD player is better and VHS is discontinued.?

why do AM stations still exist when FM is superior in quality?

Are you the guy that went all-in on Betamax? Laserdisc? How about HD-DVD?

 

[Captblue]

Do we have AM stations in rivians? lol

 

[Kelvn]

NACS port is sleeker and easier/smoother to plug in, is it that big of an issue? No, but the port and plug has a more premium/mature feel when being used.

 

[Autolycus]

why do AM stations still exist when FM is superior in quality?

Are you the guy that went all-in on Betamax? Laserdisc? How about HD-DVD?

AM is lower frequency and carries much further, especially at night. I can pick up stations from very far away.

 

[SPITmadFIRE]

This might be the only take I've seen on the entire internet saying "eh this new generation isn't THAT great of a step forward". Just because you don't want to need an adaptor to pay $0.80/kwh for DCFC ?

 

[ndmiller]

NACS has become the standard and in the future everything should be NACS in the US.

I disagree new standards don't push capital investment to conform. Adapters are here to stay for at least a decade. Telsla chargers aren't everywhere and I know tesla owners that charge CCS with adapters and have been for years.

Additionally EV charging companies aren't investing additional millions in capital changing over their stations either. #1 they haven't paid back their initial investment, not getting more money from investors or their boards. I'd guess 5 years and they'll start adding some NACS plugs to existing stations. Don't see Rivian doing that for a long long while because they have another $5B investment they are delaying already.

 

[SwampNut]

Understood. I was mostly reacting to an earlier claim by someone else that most Tesla drivers have CCS adapters. That is definitely not true, and very few actually need a CCS adapter because of lack of coverage by superchargers. My Rivian is great, but I will stand by my statement that the charging situation on CCS is not anywhere close to NACS, for Tesla or otherwise. I would not want to do a cross-country roadtrip on CCS only. I will have an adapter before taking a long road trip and will have the use of many more chargers which will be a better situation.

I traded a Tesla for the Rivian. The charging situation for anything not-Tesla is ridiculously horrible. I didn't have a CCS adapter, because what for? There's a SC everywhere you need it.


Emotional stages of a Rivian charging stop

Denial...there's simply no way that these companies can make chargers that are so incredibly unreliable. How can this whole station be dead?

Anger...they've let me down again!

Bargaining...the third time you reconnect, and hold your arms in a certain way, to let the charger know that you mean business. Fourth time you start praying to your deity of choice that you will stop drinking, eating junk food, and searching Google for...well, you know.

Depression...how am I supposed to get where I'm going now? What will I do for the next hour? What have I done???

Acceptance...well, I can walk. There's Uber and Lyft. And tow trucks. I probably won't die.

Hope...Oh look, EA just announced (AGAIN) that they are retrofitting chargers to be more reliable! YAY!

 

[Autolycus]

I'm not going to discount anyone else's experiences, but so far I have done only a limited number of CCS charging sessions -- 5 at RAN, 1 at EVGo, 3 at EA -- and every single one worked perfectly without a single issue. I've also done dozens of J1772 public charges with no problems at all.

I'll be happy to have access to the supercharger network as a backup, but I don't currently need it to get me where I go. I really can't imagine delaying buying a car just to avoid using an adapter for a charging network that I don't absolutely need to use.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Not sure why we are coming with excuses for CCS, the debate is done. CCS lost, that’s the reason it J3400 became the new standard.

Back to my original post, RIVIAN may loose the opportunity to be the 1st in having a native NACS.

¿Would you go to the store and buy a VHS when you know the DVD player is better and VHS is discontinued.?

So if they don’t agree with you then they are making excuses for CCS? Juvenile argument.

No one here is making excuses for it. They are pointing out the obvious reality you are missing in your calculations. People who understand facts and reality know: despite press releases, actual NACS adaptation will take time, well into 2026 and beyond. They also know what is actually and practically important is not the size or format of the charging plug and port. What is important is availability of charging opportunities en route to and at all of the places you could possibly want to go. Having a NACS port now mean shit if you can’t charge. All it offers now is slight convenience of not needing an adapter at select Superchargers, at L2 Tesla Wall Connectors and very very few EA (and other) DCFC sites that are among first to be updated. Nothing more.

 

[R1Tom]

So if they don’t agree with you then they are making excuses for CCS? Juvenile argument.

No one here is making excuses for it. They are pointing out the obvious reality you are missing in your calculations. People who understand facts and reality know: despite press releases, actual NACS adaptation will take time, well into 2026 and beyond. They also know what is actually and practically important is not the size or format of the charging plug and port. What is important is availability of charging opportunities en route to and at all of the places you could possibly want to go. Having a NACS port now mean shit if you can’t charge. All it offers now is slight convenience of not needing an adapter at select Superchargers, at L2 Tesla Wall Connectors and very very few EA (and other) DCFC sites that are among first to be updated. Nothing more.

Perfectly stated!

 

[Riviaenz]

Now that I had the opportunity to process all new features, I don’t see the benefit to switching my wife current electric vehicle (different manufacturer) to a refresh R1S, if it doesn’t have NACS native port. In my situation is not much of an upgrade, every one’s else opinion would very. I think they missed the opportunity to capture new buyers. I have a R1T (1st gen) and I’m very happy with it. My wife keeps taking it, lol.

NACS by any manufacturer has been planned for 2025.

Not sure why we are coming with excuses for CCS, the debate is done. CCS lost, that’s the reason it J3400 became the new standard.

Back to my original post, RIVIAN may loose the opportunity to be the 1st in having a native NACS.

It’s not a missed opportunity, it’s simply being beholden to the gatekeeper as per all car manufacturers‘ agreements with Tesla. Just like the rumored (stalled thanks to Elmo’s tantrum) NACS to CCS1 adapters. It’s the same reason for why Ford didn’t add NACS for their MachE refresh which they publicly announced just 2 weeks ago. AND, why new models coming out later this year like the Volvo EX90, Polestar 3 & 4, Wagoneer S, etc all won’t have NACS natively either this year. The agreements with them stipulated starting 2024 for the adapter and starting with 2025 far native support.

 

[Riviaenz]

Not sure what CCS station everyone is using, but I have traveled up and down the eastern coast of USA and EA is the worst, and not enough of them ( even the new ones) less than 1/2 work
Tesla are very reliable, the RAN are nice too , but not enough of them.

The first time I used a Magic Dock Supercharger it must have been luck to have found 2 of the 8 dispensers that were down. Of course no way to know unless you plug in first. Perhaps if I had a Telsa it might tell me which one to plug into and which to avoid. The 3rd one I tried worked great. It’s funny too Tesla owners were unable to tell me what their preferred rate was. The one person who could dug through is car’s menus to find it for me. At least it was cheap enough to be worth the stop.

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