Idle fee hate

[mkhuffman]

So you're talking about a totally non-related station with no fees ever? Good job. That's a different thread.

The purpose of idle fees is to keep people from hogging the charging space when they no longer need to charge. If you wait until the station gets congested, it might not be enough notice for the a-hole to move his car.

And then the station is full, and there the a-hole sits, hogging the space. Sure, they get charged when the station is busy, but they don't have much incentive to prevent the problem if the fee only happens when the station is busy.

Whatever, we are going around in circles. I hate charger hogs, and idle fees are the best way to get rid of the charger hogs.

The root of this problem is not idle fees. It is the state of our charging infrastructure. It sucks. People like to say it is fine, and road tripping is relaxing in a BEV, but nobody likes to get up in the middle of the night to move their vehicle when the charging is finished. I have done it, because I am considerate, but it sucks. It is NOT relaxing.

And it is definitely not relaxing when you arrive at a charging station to find it is occupied by fully charged a-holes.

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[RickRivian]

You have to charge idle fees regardless of demand to teach good behavior to the people who are incapable of learning it without a huge fine.

 

[SwampNut]

The root of this problem is not idle fees. It is the state of our charging infrastructure.

And illogical idle fees make it worse.

 

[R1S-DMPerformance]

You can re-read that my comment was related to another person that I quoted. Nothing to do with your story. If it is to be all about you, I suggest it is best to start a new thread.

Go ahead and send me that refund like Rivian did for you.

Haha word
Refund processed

 

[R1S-DMPerformance]

You didn't answer my question: how do you know a wave of travelers didn't come up at the same time, desperate for a charge, but your truck was sitting there fully charged? How do you know this didn't happen?

Have you heard about chaos theory? The fact is it can be empty for hours and then for some weird reason, 10 people decide they need to charge. You can't predict it.

You should be considerate and move your truck when it is it done. If you don't, you should pay an idle fee. And I think the fee should be huge.

And you towed a ICE truck out of a charging space with your X? Man, you really are looking for a fight, aren't you?

I bet you complain about everything, always looking for how someone else wronged you. Well in this case, you are the one at fault, not Rivian.

Btw, To answer your question, Rivian checked the RAN station logs, and confirmed no one was at the station except my vehicle from start to finish.

They apologized, said its completely understandable, and processed the refund.

After thousands of supercharger charging sessions since 2017 when I got my first ev, having had to live in San Diego with only a single super charging station with only 8 150kw stalls, from 2017 until 2019 for the entire county, having waited in line for an hour or more to charge, I can assure you and everyone else on this forum that no one, NO ONE here, knows more the pains of stalls being hogged, than myself.

Yet, there is absolutely nothing wrong with leaving your car plugged in after its done charging when there is no one else using the station.

People here can create their own fictitious reasons in their head that blah blah gonna "teach" people not to hog when the station is busy blah blah blah.

But the fact of the matter is, idle fees and congestion fees must only apply when there is more people using the station other than just yourself. End of story.

 

[VandalSibs]

Yet, there is absolutely nothing wrong with leaving your car plugged in after its done charging when there is no one else using the station.

Does this apply to only fast charging, or do you apply the same philosophy to level 2 charging?

 

[Dark-Fx]

But the fact of the matter is, idle fees and congestion fees must only apply when there is more people using the station other than just yourself. End of story.

It's happened to me on multiple occasions where I'm the only one plugged in, and I come back to the station being full or nearly full. What's the protocol for this situation? What if I didn't plan to come back until 8 hours after my vehicle was done charging and I prevented others from being able to plug in? These situations are why I think it should be the default that Idle fees get applied to any DC fast charging session. If you don't intend to make it back to the vehicle for 8+ hours, don't leave your vehicle at a DC fast charger. End of story.

 

[Time2Roll]

Yes if there are no other vehicles we should continue to call for the refund.
Eventually the software can be updated.

 

[SwampNut]

What if I didn't plan to come back until 8 hours after my vehicle was done charging and I prevented others from being able to plug in?

You change your plans and come back? Did I really have to type that out? Pretty simple. I've had this happen, get a Tesla push notification that the station is approaching idle fee capacity, and get this.... Might sound wild.... I walked out and moved my car. Otherwise, no reason to.

 

[SwampNut]

Now I wonder what some of you think about "hogging" destination chargers, particularly at hotels. I mean, the specific policy is to plug in overnight. Duh.

 

[carsly]

But the fact of the matter is, idle fees and congestion fees must only apply when there is more people using the station other than just yourself. End of story.

Congrats on whining to squeeze Rivian out of some money when you broke the rules.

I look forward to using your charging network that has no idle fees. How many stalls do you have open and what are your expansion plans?

Until then, if you're using a service provided by someone else just follow the rules - it's honestly not that hard as you've learned in your decade of charging. If you go over, that's on you - pay the bill and move on.

 

[SwampNut]

I look forward to using your charging network that has no idle fees.

At no time has he suggested that stations should have no idle fees. You've completely failed to understand the point.

 

[carsly]

At no time has he suggested that stations should have no idle fees. You've completely failed to understand the point.

I got the point about only charging idle fees if the station were full/nearly full. So because that's what he believes should be true Rivian, EA, Chargepoint and every other network should recode their systems to abide by his rules?

Feels a bit random.

That's why I suggested he should compete with them directly. If his approach is one embraced by the market, then he'll not only win the game for EV charging, he'll dominate.

So if it's such an abvious play, where are his charging stalls?

 

[SANZC02]

I would be fine with only charging an idle fee when congested but if at anytime the fee kicks in it should be for the entire time the vehicle was idle, not just from when it kicks in.

Hotels really should implement some sort of idle policy as well. Many times I’ve got to a hotel and cars have been plugged in and the same vehicles plugged in when I leave.

It is a courtesy thing, unplug and move when done charging.

 

[Mathme]

You know your truck will take about an hour (at most) to charge, so it's just silly to leave it plugged in any longer. It's a think called common courtesy. the OP left his truck plugged in longer and the idle fee kicked in and he paid for it. He will either: 1) move the truck in time next time, or 2) pay the fee again.

I also like some of the EA stations now that only allow charging to 85% ... since this has happened, there are no more ID4s hogging the plugs while at 92% SoC.

Fast chargers are made to quickly charge and get on your way again.

So stop dawdling about on those chargers...

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