Latest on Rivian's move to NACS?

[emoore]

Non Tesla owners will be paying a premium to charge at Supercharging stations.

The recently passed Infrastructure Act is funding the construction of charging stations across the country. The government is even installing them in low income areas where BEV ownership is extremely low. We are also subsidizing electric Semi trucks for businesses.

https://www.transportation.gov/brie...nces-623-million-grants-continue-building-out

It’s not a premium if you have a subscription. And it’s not that much of a premium without a subscription. I’m sure a lot would trade higher prices for convince, especially in charging deserts.

Funny thing is that Tesla isn’t being subsidized by government money and yet are able to out deploy all the other high speed chargers combined.

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[Acoustic71]

I came to a fight and a thread broke out.....

 

[Singletracker]

FWIW, the Magic Dock chargers are pretty close to plug and play. Open the Tesla app. Select the charger #. Plug in. That’s it! Of course, you have to be signed up with the app for payment purposes. I have used them a couple of times with excellent results.

 

[vandy1981]

I think the 10% number was how many they were going to convert to the magic dock. Since most companies are shifting to NACS, my guess is that plan will change.

They may stop V3 retrofits, but V4's will probably all have magic docks going forward. I would imagine that they would greatly prefer a tethered adapter to prevent damage from random melty adapters that people will buy on Amazon.

 

[lawyerneering]

As a Tesla owner who is about to trade in for a R1S and a (now former) Tesla shareholder who sold all my shares last week before earnings came out, I can tell you with certainty that Tesla knows that it is in its best interest to roll out its charging network to non-Teslas as soon as possible.

It's going to need the revenue to prop up its share price, especially with regulatory credit revenue that will start declining, already declining sales forecasted for this year in spite of huge price cuts, botching the Cybertruck rollout, etc. etc. Add in that we're in an election year and Elon is sure to further hurt the brand. With increased competition on almost every front, their supercharger network is the last big competitive advantage they have and now is the time they will have to deploy it. As a Tesla driver, I wasn't trilled at the thought of sharing the superchargers. As a shareholder, I 100% understood the need to do it.

 

[rhumbliner]

But the overarching message here is: it's way more complicated than you're giving it credit for, ..

And yet so many other companies do it so much better.

I’m certainly not bitter about the current situation because I understand that Rivian is going thru growing pains. My only point is that I don’t think it’s fair or reasonable to say that any delay in the NACS rollout is 100% Tesla’s fault.

But it’s obvious this is a very emotional issue for you since you’re trying to absolve Rivian of any and all responsibility for any delays. So be it.

 

[R1Thor]

And yet so many other companies do it so much better.

I’m certainly not bitter about the current situation because I understand that Rivian is going thru growing pains. My only point is that I don’t think it’s fair or reasonable to say that any delay in the NACS rollout is 100% Tesla’s fault.

But it’s obvious this is a very emotional issue for you since you’re trying to absolve Rivian of any and all responsibility for any delays. So be it.

Yeah, go POUND SAND with that narrative. You don't know me, OR my motivations. And you have no right to tell me how I feel or what my intentions are.

I'm offering INSIGHT, as someone who's worked as an Engineer for Manufacturing Engineering companies and teams for decades now.

Sure, there are companies that do it better, but there are also companies that do it worse. Rivian is doing what Rivian can do for Rivan. Is it the best? No. Did I say it was? No. Similarly, am *I* unhappy with how they're doing it? Also no. Can someone else do it better FOR Rivian--probably not. They are what they are and are doing what they can do, with their own personal risk tolerances and capabilities. If that's not good enough, shop elsewhere?

I'm done with this thread. People like you sincerely paint Rivian owners in a bad (entitle-ist, elitist) light.

 

[rweinsteinPGH]

Just to clear up that article was from February last year, pretty sure it is referencing the number of sites that they were planning to add the Magic Dock to.

The deal they are making with the other auto manufacturers will enable those cars to charge at the V3 and V4 chargers using an adapter until they start delivering their vehicles with a NACS port.

Based on a trip I just took a couple of weeks ago in my Tesla, I used 64 unique Super charger stations and 61% of them were V3 (250 kW) stations. Many of the V2 stations had V3 stations in relative close proximity. Based on my trip seems like there will be a decent amount of chargers around to increase charging options while traveling around the US.

Yeah the deal announced by Rivian said we’d have access to 12,000 superchargers, which sounds like all the V3 and V4

 

[azbill]

I have not heard if this Supercharger access is going to be plug and charge.

Has anyone seen info around that? ?? That it will support it as that is probably the single best feature to me of the Superchargers. I wish Rivian would work with EA to implement that as well.

Ford just announced payment for Superchargers will be via the FordPass app, not plug and charge. FordPass can already be used to pay for charging on all the major charging networks, all billing is via my Ford account.

 

[HaveBlue]

Ford also said today one free nacs adapter per vin that owners can claim. Current count is 17250 SC will be accessible.

 

[Deacon]

0 confrontation here. Just wondering where you are road tripping to? I have done Houston to Buffalo twice now and it's crazy how many more chargers there were November of 23, compared too July of 22'.

I can now go from western ny to Disney with all but 1 RAN.

So many Superchargers with the magic dock have opened up as well.

I know through the plains still isn't the greatest.

I’m planning a trip to New River Gorge NP in April. As near as I can tell there is not a single fast charger (>150 kw) in entire state of WVa. Supercharger access would sure help.

 

[SolartoEV]

I’m planning a trip to New River Gorge NP in April. As near as I can tell there is not a single fast charger (>150 kw) in entire state of WVa. Supercharger access would sure help.

There is a Red E station in Elkins, WV. They run Autel units which are very reliable. For some reason Red E doesn't show up in Rivians navigation.

You can find it on plug share tho.

It is new from last May as well. Kinda going along with being impressed on them opening in new places. Especially in WV where the general feeling on EV's ain't great

 

[The_Frog]

I've added a 1-year mental buffer to account for "Elon time". That may prove not conservative enough.

 

[The_Frog]

I don’t expect Tesla Superchargers to be greatly overwhelmed in average locations as EA chargers will still be sought out by car owners still getting free EA charging as part of their purchase. However in high traffic Tesla locations it will probably be a different story.

I'm afraid the 2025 version of ICE'ing will be Nissan Leafs taking over 250 kwh supercharger stalls.

 

[sub]

I'm afraid the 2025 version of ICE'ing will be Nissan Leafs taking over 250 kwh supercharger stalls.

If that became an actual problem, I predict Tesla would tweak pricing structure to discourage it. They do not seem to hesitate to use pricing to influence people's behavior.

Fixed per minute billing could make it very expensive to slow charge at a supercharger.

And Tesla already charges different rates depending on speed at locations that bill by the KWH. Tesla could double the rate for vehicles charging at less than 50 kW.

If it costs more to put 20kwH in a Leaf than it costs to put 200 kWh in a Hummer, the leaf owners will stay away.

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