Will Rivian ever get FSD?

[R1 EVY]

I test drove a Model Y with FSD this morning. (Highly recommend if you haven’t tested it already. It’s insanely good.)

First impressions after getting into a Model Y again after a while driving the R1S: The Model Y feels like a toy compared to the Rivian, the software is clunky and confusing, but the self driving capabilities are amazing.

Will Rivian ever get Full Self Driving?! I realllly hope so.

I don't think so. Getting to level 4 or level 5 will take too many resources.

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[Rividiculous]

No one has FSD right now. Maybe when AI can drive a car it will happen. But there isn't such a thing as Full Self Driving in 2024.

Fake Self Driving?
Full Self Delusion?
Full Self-Destruction?

I think the last one is Elon’s default mode now.

Unbelievable that the company can call it “full self driving” and NHTSA looks the other way while customers trust it (and sometimes die from trusting it). I guess everyone likes a party trick.

 

[SwampNut]

Autopilot is extremely reliable/predictable, and does most of what I'd want from self driving. I traded a 2019 M3LR for my Rivian. The biggest thing I miss is the AP, which I used 98% of the time. If Rivian could enable that function on city streets, they'd be so much closer. And the Rivian highway assist beats the Tesla AP on highways in some ways. But lack of city street self driving sucks. The ONLY reason I have a Rivian is to have a truck. There's just little benefit to going from a Tesla car/SUV to a Rivian SUV, and you lose so much.

Up next...Tesla infotainment wasn't great, but it's not the insane mess in the Rivian and Alexa.

 

[KRG]

You think Tesla software is clunky, compared to Rivian..?

neither is clunky.

 

[Kidentist]

Hopefully not!

 

[eskudo12791]

neither is clunky.

That I will disagree with, the latency clicking buttons on my Rivian is trash compared to my Tesla I had.

 

[KRG]

That I will disagree with, the latency clicking buttons on my Rivian is trash compared to my Tesla I had.

Weird. I have zero latency issues on mine. I’ve noticed no decline coming from Tesla. Both are worlds ahead of most other automakers.

 

[defcon888]

I test drove a Model Y with FSD this morning. (Highly recommend if you haven’t tested it already. It’s insanely good.)

First impressions after getting into a Model Y again after a while driving the R1S: The Model Y feels like a toy compared to the Rivian, the software is clunky and confusing, but the self driving capabilities are amazing.

Will Rivian ever get Full Self Driving?! I realllly hope so.

I sure hope they don't go full FSD. To me it is dangerous. People will start relying on it instead of paying attention to the road as they are flying down the highway in their 8,000lb metal missile.

I have seen manyTesla drivers using their cellphones as they are driving giving ZERO "F's" to anyone around them.

I am very old school and when I got my license back in 1980 the instructor said "Never take your hands off the wheel". I have played with Driver+ but maybe because I am a boomer, I don't trust it.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Autopilot is extremely reliable/predictable, and does most of what I'd want from self driving. I traded a 2019 M3LR for my Rivian. The biggest thing I miss is the AP, which I used 98% of the time. If Rivian could enable that function on city streets, they'd be so much closer. And the Rivian highway assist beats the Tesla AP on highways in some ways. But lack of city street self driving sucks. The ONLY reason I have a Rivian is to have a truck. There's just little benefit to going from a Tesla car/SUV to a Rivian SUV, and you lose so much.

Up next...Tesla infotainment wasn't great, but it's not the insane mess in the Rivian and Alexa.

Given that you have a motorcycle in your profile picture, how do you feel about this happening? https://gizmodo.com/tesla-motorcycle-crash-death-autopilot-washington-1851428850

 

[SwampNut]

I don't have enough info to have an opinion. I know that's not a normal or popular thing to say. Nearly always when I see a headline blaming Tesla for something, a few months later it's shown to be wrong but of course, no new headlines are made. The media hates Tesla (and generally EVs too). And then we have the matter of human drivers making far more mistakes, but that is "normal" and just expected and nobody cares. We haven't yet accepted that computers will also make some mistakes, at least in the early days.

To me it is dangerous.

But to reality, it's safer than a human. Math is math.

 

[s0ysauce]

Didn't trust FSD from day one. The latest update I tried, had even more phantom breaking than the previous update.

 

[racekarl]

But to reality, it's safer than a human. Math is math.

Just last week NHTSA concluded that Tesla omitted over 80% of police-reported accidents when making their "safer than a human" claim. When those are counted it's clear that autopilot/FSD is materially less safe than human drivers. Tesla math is Tesla math, but reality's math does not agree.

 

[defcon888]

But to reality, it's safer than a human. Math is math.

I respectfully disagree. A computer may be smarter when it comes to math and solving problems, Driver+, FSD, etc can only analyze what the sensors are programmed to sense. A human can notice little things about another vehicle like whether are they going to switch lanes based on what they are doing or not doing better than a computer. Another example is, I have been driving for 44 years and I am a better driver than a 16-year-old....why?, because I have seen more miles and incidents than they have and I can act accordingly I feel.

I do think in about 5 to 10 years I might feel different, but for now, I will keep my hands on the wheel.

 

[SwampNut]

I respectfully disagree. A computer may be smarter when it comes to math and solving problems, Driver+, FSD, etc can only analyze what the sensors are programmed to sense. A human can notice little things about another vehicle like whether are they going to switch lanes based on what they are doing or not doing better than a computer. Another example is, I have been driving for 44 years and I am a better driver than a 16-year-old....why?, because I have seen more miles and incidents than they have and I can act accordingly I feel.

I do think in about 5 to 10 years I might feel different, but for now, I will keep my hands on the wheel.

The reason you disagree, on a matter that is not opinion, is that you've based this on a lot of factually incorrect assumptions. Start with looking at how AI/neural net self driving is completely not what is pre-determined by programming. Then realize that the system can make predictive inferences like a human, but from 360 degrees and with multiple non-vision senses. This is why humans will always make more mistakes (or more precisely, often not see the threats).

 

[racekarl]

The reason you disagree, on a matter that is not opinion, is that you've based this on a lot of factually incorrect assumptions. Start with looking at how AI/neural net self driving is completely not what is pre-determined by programming. Then realize that the system can make predictive inferences like a human, but from 360 degrees and with multiple non-vision senses. This is why humans will always make more mistakes (or more precisely, often not see the threats).

Except again, your information is out-of-date relative to the most recent findings. I understand how these systems work in principle, but in fact they do not (yet) do the things you ascribe to them. The latest NHTSA report describes many instances in the new data set where autopilot/FSD ignored things (other vehicles, pedestrians, etc.) that were visible ~5 seconds pre-crash and would have been easily avoided by an actively driving human.

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