Tesla to open Supercharger network to Ford and GM in February 2024

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[R.I.P.]

My one question is what speeds will the adapter support? I ask because the Magic Dock I tried maxed out at 150kw. On the RAN I've hit speeds above 200kw and this does allow a much quicker charge.

Here is an experiment for ya.

Hit a RAN & do a 20 to 80% charge. Then do the same at a Magic Dock, or other quality 150kw charger. You will see a pretty small delta in overall time spent charging. Whereas the R1 will peak at over 200kw, it cannot hold it for long, and it introduces more heat to the pack; resulting in a more drastic taper.

If an EA 150kw stand is open, I will usually opt for one of those before a 350kw, as I often experience faster overall charge times on the lower power unit. Part of this is the flakiness of some of the 350kw stands, but thermals also play into this equation.

 

[SeaGeo]

Here is an experiment for ya.

Hit a RAN & do a 20 to 80% charge. Then do the same at a Magic Dock, or other quality 150kw charger. You will see a pretty small delta in overall time spent charging. Whereas the R1 will peak at over 200kw, it cannot hold it for long, and it introduces more heat to the pack; resulting in a more drastic taper.

If an EA 150kw stand is open, I will usually opt for one of those before a 350kw, as I often experience faster overall charge times on the lower power unit. Part of this is the flakiness of some of the 350kw stands, but thermals also play into this equation.

On a road trip I generally plug in at ~10 to 15% and charge to roughly 60%. A SuperCharger limited to 350A would been slower than everything but the last 5% of this charge.

Edited to include multiple charges. The 110323 RAN follows the ideal charge curve above about 30%. The others show some variability between chargers and plug in level, etc. With the current firmware it doesn't hold 500A as long as I'd like, but it's generally not dumping significantly off the max curve, and rarely below 150kw. On the EVGO Delta curve I had the pack started hotter than the truck targets anyway (my fault). The point remains, at least in my two vehicles the curve isn't dropping below 150kw significantly before it would in any case, and the current limit of a SC station results in charging at <150kw for the entire charging curve.

(this is just a push for higher amperage NACS adapters. I still want the a more consistent curve with longer thermal longevity).

 

[R.I.P.]

On a road trip I generally plug in at ~10 to 15% and charge to roughly 60%. A SuperCharger limited to 350A would been slower than everything but the last 5% of this charge.
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Quite right. Key is to stop @ 60% & move on... if charger spacing allows.

 

[WorldComposting]

Here is an experiment for ya.

Hit a RAN & do a 20 to 80% charge. Then do the same at a Magic Dock, or other quality 150kw charger. You will see a pretty small delta in overall time spent charging. Whereas the R1 will peak at over 200kw, it cannot hold it for long, and it introduces more heat to the pack; resulting in a more drastic taper.

If an EA 150kw stand is open, I will usually opt for one of those before a 350kw, as I often experience faster overall charge times on the lower power unit. Part of this is the flakiness of some of the 350kw stands, but thermals also play into this equation.

I did do this on one of my long trips. Even through it doesn't hold above 200 for long it was still much faster on the RAN even though I pulled in with about 8% compared to 15% on the Tesla

Tesla magic dock Saratoga Springs 77kWh in 35 minutes 2.2kWh per minute
RAN station Newark DE added 98kWh in 39 minutes 2.51kWh per minute

Yes I know I was lower pulling into the RAN but if it was higher at the start it would have saved 5-10 minutes. It doesn't seem like much if you have to stop once but I had to stop three times on this trip which would have added another 15-30 minutes or more frequent stops.

Granted EA was worse as I was only able to pull 130 max and I would worry less if I knew chargers would be available and working. Can't wait for the RAN at Newburgh, NY to open up as the EA charger had people waiting when I left.

 

[SeaGeo]

Quite right. Key is to stop @ 60% & move on... if charger spacing allows.

I can't handle the speed of charging with the stair step approach they have for the CV phase anyway. Charging at 80kw at 70% for a pack this size drives me nuts. A fun little comparison of how Lucid and Rivian manage the same cells. I'd *really* appreciate it if smoothed the curve out and did a true CV phase. Those steps eat up a surprising amount of time to get to 80%.

 

[Alieti]

From my memory, ford and GM signed first within a week of each other. Hence getting first dibs. Rivian was about 2 weeks later and I think 3rd or 4th one to sign. And said early spring. So likely April which would give a good length of time for slow roll out

 

[emoore]

From my memory, ford and GM signed first within a week of each other. Hence getting first dibs. Rivian was about 2 weeks later and I think 3rd or 4th one to sign. And said early spring. So likely April which would give a good length of time for slow roll out

That would makes sense. For some reason I thought Rivian signed on after Ford but before GM but I could be wrong.

 

[Alieti]

That would makes sense. For some reason I thought Rivian signed on after Ford but before GM but I could be wrong.

It was definitely after both. Elon head a twitter spaces with both CEOs back to back weeks for an announcement. Then just a news letter for Rivian soon after

 

[CrazyOne]

I hope RJ does not have a Twitter fight with Lord Musk. Else the chargers may stop working without notice.

Context:Tesla removes Disney+ from vehicles amid Elon Musk’s Twitter beef with Bob Iger

 

[emoore]

I hope RJ does not have a Twitter fight with Lord Musk. Else the chargers may stop working without notice.

Context:Tesla removes Disney+ from vehicles amid Elon Musk’s Twitter beef with Bob Iger

The danger of relying on the superchargers. I will only use them in an emergency or in a charging desert. This is why we need other charging companies and can't rely solely on Tesla for due to the unprofessional nature of their CEO.

 

[evhelphub]

The danger of relying on the superchargers. I will only use them in an emergency or in a charging desert. This is why we need other charging companies and can't rely solely on Tesla for due to the unprofessional nature of their CEO.

Based on my experience using both EVgo and Electrify America for a short trip this last weekend, I wouldn't count on being able to avoid Tesla SCs.

The public charging experience is just so bad outside of the Tesla network. We got the correct charging curve advertised by both the vehicle and the charger one time out of the 4 stops. We had to move the car at least once at 3 of the locations and two out of the four were full when we got there.

Bad all around. So many frustrated owners at each stop.

 

[emoore]

Based on my experience using both EVgo and Electrify America for a short trip this last weekend, I wouldn't count on being able to avoid Tesla SCs.

The public charging experience is just so bad outside of the Tesla network. We got the correct charging curve advertised by both the vehicle and the charger one time out of the 4 stops. We had to move the car at least once at 3 of the locations and two out of the four were full when we got there.

Bad all around. So many frustrated owners at each stop.

I used EA almost exclusively for a couple of Minnesota road trips from Colorado and I didn't have any issues. The only place I'd like to charge at a supercharger was near Duluth since there are only 50kw chargers in small towns north of there. So it probably depends on the road trips you are taking.

 

[mkg3]

I hope RJ does not have a Twitter fight with Lord Musk. Else the chargers may stop working without notice.

Context:Tesla removes Disney+ from vehicles amid Elon Musk’s Twitter beef with Bob Iger

Just like cable companies and DirecTV removes providers during a dispute. Its no different.

Also, Electrek likes to bash Musk with click-bate headlines so there that too...

https://electrek.co/2023/12/18/tesla-removes-disney-cars-amid-elon-musks-beef-bob-iger/

 

[CrazyOne]

Just like cable companies and DirecTV removes providers during a dispute. Its no different.

Also, Electrek likes to bash Musk with click-bate headlines so there that too...

https://electrek.co/2023/12/18/tesla-removes-disney-cars-amid-elon-musks-beef-bob-iger/

I thought it was the most pro Tesla site there is. Fight was with Musk and and his Twitter . Tesla and it's customers should not have been affected.

Anyways, the app isn't available after fight and that is a fact.

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