I wouldn't bet against Toyota ....... Mirai XLE with a 402-mile EPA-estimated driving range. *

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Hydrogen-powered Toyota Mirai

Toyota EVs only accounted for 1% of all deliveries in 2023. That's 110k EVs and 11MM combustion vehicles. Hydrogen engines have been raised from the dead and are now on sale at your local Toyota dealer. The Toyota Fuel cell system Mirai is selling for under $70k for its top-of-the-line end model, but filling stations are still only limited to California.

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[jjswan33]

LOL.. You asked for it with that title....

 

[LivingInKaos]

but filling stations are still only limited to California.

You killed your own title....

 

[Dark-Fx]

I'm not specifically betting against Toyota here, but 402 miles is not enough range for me to get to the nearest filling station, so I'll pass.
https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen-locations#/find/nearest?fuel=HY

 

[Wing]

Didn't shell close all their filing stations a few months ago as well?

 

[LivingInKaos]

Didn't shell close all their filing stations a few months ago as well?

Yep.

 

[pricedm]

wow, as if the anti-$RIVN FUDsters aren't out in force, here's another anti-EV post.

Poster must be a new intern at WSJ or some other anti-EV media outlet.

 

[LivingInKaos]

I'm not specifically betting against Toyota here, but 402 miles is not enough range for me to get to the nearest filling station, so I'll pass.
https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen-locations#/find/nearest?fuel=HY

Don't think you can make it to Quebec or BC either?

 

[DucRider]

 

[eskudo12791]

Damn Toyota got us, there are... oh wait, zero hydrogen stations in virginia

 

[mikehmb]

I’ve seen comparisons between BEVs and H2 fuel cell EVs, particular in regards to infrastructure maturity and how H2 will catch up.

This is a disingenuous comparison.

I love the idea of fuel cells, and hope we sort out the last-mile delivery problem. For some applications it seems like a no-brainer - e.g. long-haul trucking. But it is far, far more challenging than moving electrons from one location to another to satisfy the delivery requirements of passenger vehicles at scale.

We need a fundamental shift in H2 creation and storage in order for this to become feasible.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I’ve seen comparisons between BEVs and H2 fuel cell EVs, particular in regards to infrastructure maturity and how H2 will catch up.

This is a disingenuous comparison.

I love the idea of fuel cells, and hope we sort out the last-mile delivery problem. For some applications it seems like a no-brainer - e.g. long-haul trucking. But it is far, far more challenging than moving electrons from one location to another to satisfy the delivery requirements of passenger vehicles at scale.

We need a fundamental shift in H2 creation and storage in order for this to become feasible.

I'd consider a hydrogen vehicle if they ever solve the "car frozen to pump" issue. 5 minute fill-up would be great, but the unpredictability of it is a major turn off.

Also want to be able to fill at home too, another pipe dream.

 

[LivingInKaos]

I'd consider a hydrogen vehicle if they ever solve the "car frozen to pump" issue. 5 minute fill-up would be great, but the unpredictability of it is a major turn off.

Also want to be able to fill at home too, another pipe dream.

With the current cost of a hydrogen generator, charging at home would not be something 99.9% of us could feasibly do, not to mention the size.

 

[jjswan33]

I'd consider a hydrogen vehicle if they ever solve the "car frozen to pump" issue. 5 minute fill-up would be great, but the unpredictability of it is a major turn off.

Also want to be able to fill at home too, another pipe dream.

 

[ThatOneGuy]

I’ve seen comparisons between BEVs and H2 fuel cell EVs, particular in regards to infrastructure maturity and how H2 will catch up.

This is a disingenuous comparison.

I love the idea of fuel cells, and hope we sort out the last-mile delivery problem. For some applications it seems like a no-brainer - e.g. long-haul trucking. But it is far, far more challenging than moving electrons from one location to another to satisfy the delivery requirements of passenger vehicles at scale.

We need a fundamental shift in H2 creation and storage in order for this to become feasible.

Agreed. I think there should be a big push to accelerate the transition of fuel-hungry transportation to hydrogen fuel cells. Not just long haul trucking, but air and sea travel as well. Each of those sectors are limited to select locations and already require somewhat specialized infrastructure, so setting up hydrogen refueling shouldn't be as complicated as it is/would be for smaller personally owned vehicles.

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