Driver+ Gen 1 Advertised Features

[elektrode]

Date on that article is a year before the first customer vehicle even rolled off the production line.

Yeah dawg, let’s go there.

About a month before I paid the money for delivery: (Jun 13th 2022)

Followed by the website literally the day before I took delivery July 29, 2022. Checking my records, this was a full 2 weeks after I _paid_ for the truck and had _two_ failed deliveries!

Edit: included page 5 days before my delivery payment when I would’ve been working with my guide on the packet making that last decision if I wanted to really do this.

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[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Yeah dawg, let’s go there.

About a month before I paid the money for delivery: (Jun 13th 2022)

I have no idea what you're trying to imply here. Or what your chicken-scratch all over some webarchive screenshots is meant to imply. I was just stating that your screenshot is dated from a year before they even started producing vehicles. How's anybody supposed to know what the product can do a year before they even made it? But since I don't have time to try to run it through a gibberish translator, welcome to the 'ignore' list.

If it makes you so angry that you have to post 5,000 times about it, maybe you'd be happier in a Tesla. ?

 

[elektrode]

Gasp.

Geesh. Yeah, I posted 5 THOUSAND times.

You can’t read picture books?

I ain’t taking any shiz nor gaslighting from my fellow Rivian owners here about this. None.

I’m actually more bent out of shape about people telling me I’m making stuff up than I am about abandoned Gen1 Driver+ stuff.

“But since I don't have time to try to run it through a gibberish translator” - that was a solid one though.

 

[azbill]

Has anyone noticed any new roads added to D+ at all? A freeway near me was extended a couple of years ago, and still is not mapped. Ford added that to their maps a year ago. There is also a stretch of I-10 near me where they widened the freeway, and if I drive the Rivian in the left lane, it disengaged D+, thinks I am no longer on a mapped highway, in the two right hand lanes it will stay engaged.

 

[SANZC02]

Has anyone noticed any new roads added to D+ at all? A freeway near me was extended a couple of years ago, and still is not mapped. Ford added that to their maps a year ago. There is also a stretch of I-10 near me where they widened the freeway, and if I drive the Rivian in the left lane, it disengaged D+, thinks I am no longer on a mapped highway, in the two right hand lanes it will stay engaged.

There was one place around me that had construction completed shortly after I got my R1S, it initially was not available but has been added. It is I10 in the Beaumont/Banning CA area.

There is another construction site near us that was completed about 6 months ago, it has not yet been added. Surprised it is not added yet as it is a stretch 405 in North OC, CA not far from the Rivian offices.

 

[SoCal Rob]

I have no idea what you're trying to imply here. Or what your chicken-scratch all over some webarchive screenshots is meant to imply. I was just stating that your screenshot is dated from a year before they even started producing vehicles. How's anybody supposed to know what the product can do a year before they even made it? But since I don't have time to try to run it through a gibberish translator, welcome to the 'ignore' list.

If it makes you so angry that you have to post 5,000 times about it, maybe you'd be happier in a Tesla. ?

I think that @elektrode was simply pointing out that archived pages from just before elektrode took delivery in summer of 2022 showed the language as, “Delivering true hands-free driving experience…” not should deliver, or even will deliver. When we bought ours a year after that the language was dialed back a lot. https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/driver-gen-1-advertised-features.30296/post-577347

 

[Mister Person]

I can't think of a technical reason they can't implement lane change on gen1. The car already knows if there is a lane there, and whether it's safe to change lanes.

 

[allisgoodman]

I can't think of a technical reason they can't implement lane change on gen1. The car already knows if there is a lane there, and whether it's safe to change lanes.

Rivian doesn't want to make a shitty driver assisted experience even shittier. Imagine you initiate a lane change and they system hesitates for 10s before bailing out and asking you to try again. Gen 1 system is just not worth investment from Rivian and last thing they want is customer using their system got involved into a crash on highway (which I think it's a lesson learned from Tesla).

 

[Mellowyellow]

They don’t want to waste any more time, effort, and money coding for obsolete hardware

 

[Tim-in-CA]

Not sure if just our Rivian, but under the right (wrong?) conditions I can watch the projected lines in the scenter of the driver’s display flip-flop from straight to a curve and back repeatedly while stopped. It gives me the idea that the system should not be trusted.

Honestly, I don’t understand why a developer would even allow this behavior. Once the system goes through 2 cycles where it cannot make a determination between 2 possibilities while stopped, why not show a stable compromise or average until the vehicle starts moving and a determination can be made with more certainty what the real path is?

From my perspective, all that center display does is serve as a constant reminder of how imperfect the Gen 1* interpretation of the real world is. I think drivers should be able to have an alternate view on the driver’s display where the information currently displayed on the right (power applied, speed, PRND, etc.) is shown in the center and a compact view of the gauges from the drive mode screen (or some other user-selectable data) is shown on the right. This would provide a side benefit of not having the speed get shoved aside and made smaller when the right turn signal is used with blind spot cameras enabled.

*Hoping Gen 2 is better / more confidence-inspiring.

edit: missed a few words

I was sent a link to a Rivian survey today and essentially said the same thing. Current D+ renderings are useless, so give us an option to display more information instead.

 

[SANZC02]

I can't think of a technical reason they can't implement lane change on gen1. The car already knows if there is a lane there, and whether it's safe to change lanes.

Rivian did add where you put your blinker on and it lets you change lanes then once centered it takes over again. I actually like that implementation better than the lane change in my Model S which is shaky and takes time to change.

 

[Davethadog]

I can't think of a technical reason they can't implement lane change on gen1. The car already knows if there is a lane there, and whether it's safe to change lanes.

Rivian uses a licensed software to do the assistance, they don’t do any compute themselves at the moment. The hardware Rivian implemented is incompatible with a more advanced version of mobileye so we’re stuck with the basic version. The other cameras and sensors are just for more basic features now…

 

[zefram47]

I have a cross country trip coming up, between the free supercharging and ability to use autopilot on all highways, I’ll probably take the Tesla. If driver+ was more like autopilot It would be a tougher decision.

Honestly, the Highway Assist part of Driver+ I've found to work amazingly well with a few caveats. If you enter a construction zone, just preemptively turn it off. On the open road with little traffic you're passing, it truly is a great feature and I can't imagine doing a long road trip anymore without it. In the city it doesn't do lane scootching and gets closer to other vehicles than I'd like because it just rigidly stays centered in the lane. In stop and go traffic it's actually kind of nice because it does a reasonable job maintaining the lane even at low speed. It's the unmapped highways that you can't use HWA on at all, so you just have ACC.

 

[SANZC02]

Honestly, the Highway Assist part of Driver+ I've found to work amazingly well with a few caveats. If you enter a construction zone, just preemptively turn it off. On the open road with little traffic you're passing, it truly is a great feature and I can't imagine doing a long road trip anymore without it. In the city it doesn't do lane scootching and gets closer to other vehicles than I'd like because it just rigidly stays centered in the lane. In stop and go traffic it's actually kind of nice because it does a reasonable job maintaining the lane even at low speed. It's the unmapped highways that you can't use HWA on at all, so you just have ACC.

I agree where it works it works well. I’ve had the R1S on a 5500 mile trip and it probably worked on 85% of the highways but the Tesla works an 100% of the highways.

 

[RWerksman]

Driver+ on Gen 1 vehicles is tremendously limited. While it does 'work well' in certain conditions, there are loads more scenarios where it doesn't. Even the forced highway limitation of the system is flawed as there are small sections of well-established highways that it forcibly cuts out on requiring a manual re-engage.

The system is literally worse than Tesla Hardware 1.0, circa 2015. The functionality is similar, but the Tesla system doesn't have the arbitrary highway gating.


Regarding advertisements - in what world should we, as Rivian customers, not expect them to deliver on promises made when we purchased vehicles? Regardless of personal usefulness, we as a group should be advocating for delivery of a high-quality vehicle INCLUDING all future enhancements as marketed. Just because it may not have factored into your purchasing decision, it did for hundreds or thousands of fellow owners, myself included. At minimum, having additional D+ functionality will almost certainly enhance the value of the vehicle putting money in your pocket. To blow it off as meaningless is just foolish.

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