Solid State battery game changer?

[mini2nut]

10,000 charging cycles and charging in 3 minutes. Could this be the battery technology that will put the final nail in the ICE coffin?

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...at-never-dies-it-s-a-game-changer-198518.html

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[R1Tom]

Somebody who is smarter than me, please do the math at what that would mean for current requirement at let's just go with 460v/60/3 and 6 charging stations with full speed charging going to 6 vehicles.

 

[blturner]

There is a crap-ton of new battery tech in the pipelines. Most of it will never make it to market. The various solid state ones do look promising. This particular one looks to be many years out.

In general, I expect a cars worth of batteries to cost half as much every 5 years or so for the next 20 years. If the batteries charge in minutes then we don't need as much range, so less batteries means lower costs. Or you could cram twice as many in for more range.

 

[Autolycus]

Standard reply about any "breakthrough" in solid state batteries: They've been "3 years away" for way more than 3 years at this point. Lots of labs and companies can make a handful of cells that seem incredible. Nobody has been able to manufacturer even a smallish batch, let alone a large one.

If someone ever does make a breakthrough, it will indeed be game-changing. At least in some ways. It's great to be able to theoretically charge a battery that fast, but then there's the problem of power supply. These batteries won't just have to be made at high enough scale for the vehicles -- and that will be MASSIVE scale -- but also at enough scale to put at every charging station that wants to supply power at those rates.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Somebody who is smarter than me, please do the math at what that would mean for current requirement at let's just go with 460v/60/3 and 6 charging stations with full speed charging going to 6 vehicles.

I have to believe at some point we are going to have DC charging stations that sit right off of medium voltage lines for the fastest charging. (The 3 minute example for a Rivian sized battery is ~2.5 Megawatts average)

 

[opnwide]

I anticipate a cure for Male Pattern Baldness first.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I anticipate a cure for Male Pattern Baldness first.

Fingers crossed…

 

[R1Tom]

I have to believe at some point we are going to have DC charging stations that sit right off of medium voltage lines for the fastest charging. (The 3 minute example for a Rivian sized battery is ~2.5 Megawatts average)

True! I wasn't thinking that. I was just thinking whqt a massive current this fast charging would require and is it plausible for that to be serviced by electrical services.

 

[ads75]

I think there are articles about "breakthroughs" in battery technology about once a week because they generate clicks. Any "breakthrough" would take years to scale.

Still waiting on that fusion energy that has been promised to be just around the corner for decades. And flying cars. And the Male Pattern Baldness cure.

 

[Zoidz]

This is old news from May of 2021 - Must be a slow news day at Autoevolution.com.

https://electrek.co/2021/05/13/harvard-researchers-develop-long-lasting-solid-state-battery/

 

[COdogman]

There will be many big breakthroughs in battery tech in the next 10 years. And during that time solid state batteries probably will FINALLY make it to market. I certainly would not hold off buying an EV you like now waiting for any of these advancements. If battery tech improves that much in the next few years, there may be new ways to swap out our older battery packs with better tech at a *reasonable* price. And very smart people are working on battery recycling technology so we don’t need 500 new mines to meet demand.

I guess my point is don’t focus too much on 1 specific new technology. 10 years from now there may well be possibilities That aren’t even on our radar yet!

 

[R1Sky Business]

It'll be ready by the time you have to replace your 1st generation R1 battery pack....10yrs

 

[MountainBikeDude]

I have to believe at some point we are going to have DC charging stations that sit right off of medium voltage lines for the fastest charging. (The 3 minute example for a Rivian sized battery is ~2.5 Megawatts average)

 

[derekmw]

Yeah, a lot of buzz has been surrounding solid-state batteries for some time, with Toyota looking to be ahead of the game, but even then, their first models with solid-state batteries will only be plug-in hybrids. I assume to vet out and really prove out the technology first.

So I don't think the '10 years from now' estimate is that far off. Don't hold off any purchases because you want to wait for a solid-state battery model.

 

[Craigins]

I have to believe at some point we are going to have DC charging stations that sit right off of medium voltage lines for the fastest charging. (The 3 minute example for a Rivian sized battery is ~2.5 Megawatts average)

At that size of a draw we'd need a different grid design anyways.

I'm not sure how the grid would synchronize with that level of demand randomly starting and stopping.

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