Tesla FSD coming to Rivian?

[Forager]

Rivian won’t license something as benign as Car Play, they aren’t licensing FSD.

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[Oldsmobile_Mike]

All the good points have already been covered in this thead. I would just like to add that I'd sure like "summon" for rainy days. ?

 

[CheezyNachos]

All the good points have already been covered in this thead. I would just like to add that I'd sure like "summon" for rainy days. ?

Except that doesn't work right either.

 

[Robotpedlr]

I have a Tesla also and own FSD (beta) and think it is great. This is especially true on freeways. I drove from Portland to Seattle this weekend and it was 100% on FSD (including all lane changes, going around slower vehicles, etc).

although it works somewhat on city streets also that is needs work.

 

[Jdcorbitt3]

I have had three Teslas with FSD. I just want Enhanced Auto Pilot, where I can initiate a lane change by using turn signals. Elon lost his way by disabling radar and USS. In aviation, we use “All available resources.” When we drive cars, or fly planes, we use a lot more than just vision. We use sensory, hearing, and even smell, as in if a brake was overheating.
one of my deciding factors in buying the Rivian is it uses 11 cameras, 5 radar sensors, and 12 USS. Driver + has the potential to work much better than EAP.

 

[1T2022]

I bet it's VW

 

[mptx17]

Each to his own.

I don't care if there never is a FSD vehicle. I enjoy driving. I don't want the car to drive. I want to drive. And I especially enjoy driving my R1S.

If I want someone/something else to drive me I will take an Uber, a train, a bus, a taxi, an airplane, a streetcar, or let a friend/relative drive; and I don't do any of those.

Never the vehicle driving for me!

Exactly this. I am mystified by the apparent appeal of any of these systems beyond the 'gee whiz this is the newest tech toy' angle.

 

[Supratachophobia]

Do you think that the OEM in talks with Tesla to license the FSD technology is Rivian? I think the T and S have the necessary cameras, but I don't know if Tesla's FSD computer would need to accompany any truck, suv or car to make the FSD functional.

You can keep that hot hot garbage that Tesla claims is FSD as far away from Rivian as possible. The sheer hubris of Space Karen thinking they could do it on cameras alone is reckless at best.

 

[CrazyOne]

I have had three Teslas with FSD. I just want Enhanced Auto Pilot, where I can initiate a lane change by using turn signals. Elon lost his way by disabling radar and USS. In aviation, we use “All available resources.” When we drive cars, or fly planes, we use a lot more than just vision. We use sensory, hearing, and even smell, as in if a brake was overheating.
one of my deciding factors in buying the Rivian is it uses 11 cameras, 5 radar sensors, and 12 USS. Driver + has the potential to work much better than EAP.

Back then, I put a deposit on Rivian because they were the only ones going with Lidar, while. At the time, Musk said Lidar was a crutch. I called that cost cutting.

L3 self driving is still 5 or 10 years away and I will try to get it on my next car.

 

[quartz]

Once we establish secure protocols for communicating between vehicles and infrastructure, we won't have to rely on sensors nearly as much on the roads. CV and AI is key to handling everything else. I reckon USS, radar, lidar, etc will be relegated to auxiliary safely systems for low-speed or poor visibility situations.

I'm no fan of Musk, but his radical and risky approach will likely get us to Level 5 and Mars much sooner than Waymo or Boeing ever could. Unfortunately, most big companies are in the business of making money, not breakthroughs.

 

[Sfosro]

Supposedly, Driver+ was developed in a manner that has the hardware to be close to what Tesla's FSD system is. However, Rivian has clearly indicated that self driving functions are not a priority right now. With the hardware in place, it's certainly capable of handling lane changes, recognizing traffic lights, etc, but because it's not a priority for Rivian at this time, it will likely be several years before we see any significant improvements to what we have. I wish they would at least get it to the level of Tesla's basic Auto Pilot capability, thus works based on what it sees rather than what's been mapped into to the software. At least for highway / freeway use. No reason it shouldn't work EVERYWHERE rather than just at places that have been pre-mapped.

Some type of lane change function would also be great. Even if we have to manually activate it by turning on the blinker, would be much better than it is now, where you have to disengage to make a lane change, then re-engage after the lane change.

Because of how many spots where it kicks off and doesn't work and because lane changes are needed quite often, I find that I rarely use it as it's more work to use it than it is to just drive the truck.

while Tesla has not had a problem with releasing "beta" software, most car manufacturers aren't willing to do so until what they release is perfected. So that, combined with it not being a priority for Rivian at this time, means it's likely several years away on the Rivian.

In terms of highway use, GM seems to have the best system out there with their "super cruise". The true hands-free capability is nice. Certainly much better than the constant nags every 13 seconds from Rivian and Tesla to put your hands on the wheel. Especially annoying when your hands already are on the steering wheel.

I prefer to change lanes manually with the T resetting in the new lane when centered. Most vehicles auto lane change is cool but slow.

 

[quartz]

Back then, I put a deposit on Rivian because they were the only ones going with Lidar, while. At the time, Musk said Lidar was a crutch. I called that cost cutting.

L3 self driving is still 5 or 10 years away and I will try to get it on my next car.

I believe L3 already exists today with NVIDIA Drive integration in the latest Merc EQS, with more coming in the next few years from Volvo, Jag/Rover, Hyundai, Xpeng, Nio, Polestar, BYD, Lucid, and others.

 

[Sgt Beavis]

Tesla's FSD is a scam. It has a few cool tricks but it does not come close to living up to Tesla's claims.

However, Tesla's basic autopilot is fabulous and a huge upgrade from Rivian's driver plus. I would happily pay Rivian, or Tesla to replace Driver+ with Tesla's Autopilot.

I’m with you on this.
I do see something like FSD being viable in the future but I would never put my family at risk by using a Beta product that should probably be an Alpha.

One day, when I’m a lot older, I’m hoping we have true Level 4 or 5 automation. That kind of tech is going to allow seniors to stay in their own homes longer and put less burden on nursing or assisted living facilities. But I still want to experience the joy of driving until I’m too old to be safe about it.

 

[zajak1]

Tesla's FSD is a scam. It has a few cool tricks but it does not come close to living up to Tesla's claims.

However, Tesla's basic autopilot is fabulous and a huge upgrade from Rivian's driver plus. I would happily pay Rivian, or Tesla to replace Driver+ with Tesla's Autopilot.

FSD gets better with more data, not hardware..
RIVN is accumulating that data now on its own so I doubt very much they’ll want Tesla’s or anyone else’s…
And with AI, that will accelerate the process..
RIVN seems like it’s in a good place..RJ recently said it’s one of their main goals to get to level 3 driving capability

 

[defcon888]

Here is my 2 cents about FDS (on Tesla or any other car).....it should be outlawed. When I got my license back in 1980 (I know....a long long time ago), we were taught to "stay alert at all times, look in the rearview mirrors every 10 to 15 seconds". With FDS (in my opinion) you make lazy drivers. I think it gives a false sense of security to a point buy giving the feeling of "I don't have to pay attention, I can play a game on my phone or set my laptop up and work". You give up what it is to be a responsible driver. If I am in control of my driving, I can react to my surroundings faster and smarter which comes with driving for over 40 years. I am not going to rely on some computer chip and code to drive for me.

I do use cruise control and while that is a very low level of FDS (sort of), it doesn't take the responsibility away from the driver. I am also against adding Netflix or Amazon Prime Video to the infotainment center....well at least not being able to access it while driving.....while charging, sure, why not.

I know I sound like a grumpy old man and who knows, if 5 or 10 more years I may come around.

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