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Amazing! Love it!
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A mobile technician. Told me they have a hard time using the lasers in high light areas and really need a garage to do it well
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VSG
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No chance at all - that contract was signed before Rivian even shipped their first vehicle. The USPS NGDV is a done deal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_NGDV
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Very cool. I love it.
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Then why did Canoo sell them 6 vans as part of a new pilot program just last week? https://www.press.canoo.com/press-r...tal-service-for-purchase-of-electric-vehicles
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The USPS has more needs than just the workhorse NGDV. USPS is purchasing some additional vehicles as "Commercial Off-The-Shelf" items. Many of these additional vehicles are ICE vehicles, or hybrids. The procurement process for COTS equipment is entirely different (and greatly simplified) compared to the process used to solicit designs and bids for large quantities of purpose-built items.
A few things to note are that the COTS items must be commercially available, must be available to the general public, and must require little to no modification to make them suitable for (USPS) use. For example, with vehicles, whether EVs or ICE vehicles, most government agencies need generic cars (sedans) for all sorts of purposes. COTS items available on the GSA Schedule allow agencies to pull out a catalog and pick something that suits their needs - these items have pre-negotiated prices and delivery schedules and agencies don't need to go through a competive procurement process to buy them. Competetive processes can take 6 months to many years, depending on the dollar amount, plus a LOT of government manpower, while COTS purchases can in practice be delivered immediately with little effort on the part of the agency.
But the vendor needs to take active steps if the vendor wants to sell items to the government on the GSA schedule. Including negotiating prices and guaranteeing delivery timelines. This requires all sorts of things from the vendor including on-staff people familiar with government contracting. A lot of businesses are not interested in dealing with all those regulations just for the privilege of selling a limited quantity to a government buyer. And for a still small, still new business like Rivian, it would be IMO a big distraction and a bit of a money suck to chase government buyers with the low volume R1 and EDV platforms. It's a strategic business decision whether you want to try to sell to the government market like that, but you know it CAN'T be more lucrative than selling to the general public because the government requires you to sell to them at a price no higher than you sell to the public (this will be audited) and because you need to spend a lot of corporate money to qualify and to maintain your qualifications.
Canoo is on the GSA schedule. Rivian is not. So the USPS cannot buy Rivian vans as a COTS purchase. See https://www.gsa.gov/buy-through-us/...eet-electrification/alternative-fuel-vehicles
This could change in the future, but I hope Rivian doesn't go down the road of chasing after low-volume government business anytime soon.
A few things to note are that the COTS items must be commercially available, must be available to the general public, and must require little to no modification to make them suitable for (USPS) use. For example, with vehicles, whether EVs or ICE vehicles, most government agencies need generic cars (sedans) for all sorts of purposes. COTS items available on the GSA Schedule allow agencies to pull out a catalog and pick something that suits their needs - these items have pre-negotiated prices and delivery schedules and agencies don't need to go through a competive procurement process to buy them. Competetive processes can take 6 months to many years, depending on the dollar amount, plus a LOT of government manpower, while COTS purchases can in practice be delivered immediately with little effort on the part of the agency.
But the vendor needs to take active steps if the vendor wants to sell items to the government on the GSA schedule. Including negotiating prices and guaranteeing delivery timelines. This requires all sorts of things from the vendor including on-staff people familiar with government contracting. A lot of businesses are not interested in dealing with all those regulations just for the privilege of selling a limited quantity to a government buyer. And for a still small, still new business like Rivian, it would be IMO a big distraction and a bit of a money suck to chase government buyers with the low volume R1 and EDV platforms. It's a strategic business decision whether you want to try to sell to the government market like that, but you know it CAN'T be more lucrative than selling to the general public because the government requires you to sell to them at a price no higher than you sell to the public (this will be audited) and because you need to spend a lot of corporate money to qualify and to maintain your qualifications.
Canoo is on the GSA schedule. Rivian is not. So the USPS cannot buy Rivian vans as a COTS purchase. See https://www.gsa.gov/buy-through-us/...eet-electrification/alternative-fuel-vehicles
This could change in the future, but I hope Rivian doesn't go down the road of chasing after low-volume government business anytime soon.
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Does this mean they’ll know how to use jack pucks in the proper place on Rivian R1s?
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Just sell me one so I can I live in it already.
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Curious does anyone know if Rivian had power outlets in the cargo area? Seems like a great way to power tools for these types of applications. I don’t remember if that was shared in any of the Amazon delivery van videos.
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Awesome! EV fleets are an ideal use! case.
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Coparts has a few "slightly used" EDV500's and 700's.
Non drivers, move in ready!
(Although you might have a hard time evicting the critters that have taken up residence)
Although after looking closer there is one that has some roof damage that doesn't look too bad from the available pictures. Guess not worth it for Amazon to fix it and they totalled it.
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