V2L (Vehicle-to-Load) - has anyone tried it?

[kallisti5]

So, Rivian has been back-burner promising V2H, V2G on their current vehicles for a while now. Actual V2G and V2H hardware though is few and far apart as things stand today.

*However* V2L adapters have existed for a while and are available for a variety of vehicles.

Has anyone tried plugging a V2L adapter into their Rivian to see what happens?

Examples:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/196384386138?itmmeta=01HXRZW98Y4DR4S0N2N59KB333&hash=item2db96bec5a:g:aCAAAOSw-NNmMYbM&itmprp=enc:AQAJAAAA0DnoqJ1txBFIm4CgcseNfbm3UtKUeLb5zt3sk8GkHgxNX3U+NepuK2QaXoMDw0nXmfKfwmd5RJxOeI5HFlDjSsg6CM0yY7sSkA1mM2mhB6+eOFXvSGjhT6ZJBRjk8ZzJ4+oAWwEjk1QKBiXaTNwW0tCRJK37gf5u3IVyhX3YGgRPmqiG9okWWAGYfKS1dXL2kZGsCGmPN0Z19U3MPe3KxRy7jjcGFjM2rWE20z9G27ouPX7kCRb4WXV60YoCymVMAMZ+EmgG1hnjfNJQtNgcqj8=|tkp:Bk9SR8SU8Z_uYw

https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Adapter-Compatible-Hyundai-Ioniq/dp/B0BKL3DL5L


I know we don't "need" them since we have outlets in the the bed and other places, but it seems like a good capability test at minimum. Most of these are sold as vehicle specific... however it "should" be just the standard V2L standard.

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[Sgt Beavis]

This would be a nice alternative to V2H since you could use something like this to power your fridge and maybe your wifi and/or PC. The real issue for Rivian (and the Wrangler’s Power Box) is that it only outputs 1500w. That puts a pretty sizable limit on what they can power. Still useful for camping but not a real alternative for true V2H.

Ford’s F150 Hybrid has up to 7200w of output while the Lightning has a whopping 9600w available.

One thing I would really like to see from Rivian is a better AC inverter. At at minimum they should increase the output to 2400w. That would allow 20amps at 110. Optimally Rivian could duplicate Ford’s ability to use 220v outlet. Though I’m not sure how much weight an inverter would require. Of course there is the added weight as well.

 

[kallisti5]

Yeah, to be clear:

* V2L is generally one or more 120v or 220v outlets powered by the onboard vehicle charge inverter running "in reverse" connected to the standard J1772 port. Rivian's onboard inverter is 11.5kW max charging... so in theory a standard 110v (~1.6kW) outlet would be easy to do in reverse (assuming the hardware actually supports it)

* V2H, V2G is generally an external inverter strapped to a building. It draws DC power via the CCS pins and is generally enough to "power your home (V2H) or return power to the grid (V2G)"

We haven't seen much 220v V2L... but it's a compelling story on the Rivian since we don't get 220v outlets.


I wish Rivian better documented this stuff
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[kallisti5]

I'm now undertaking a holy mission to get this crap documented

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...ug-and-charge-is-supported.27755/#post-537683

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

I'd like to see Rivian do what Tesla has done with the CT. They allow a full 40 amps to be pulled from a 14-50 in the truck bed.

As far as V2H or V2G I would like to see Rivian offer at least the same 40 amps but in a system that doesn't require a ton of installation cost. Ford's system is quite complicated and expensive to install.

The Tesla system is expensive to install as well unless you already have a powerwall. The Tesla system seems simpler as it only requires a UWC and a powerwall.

With that said one could do a lot with 40amps of inverted power. 1500w is just not enough to compete with what others are offering.

 

[kallisti5]

I'd like to see Rivian do what Tesla has done with the CT. They allow a full 40 amps to be pulled from a 14-50 in the truck bed.

As far as V2H or V2G I would like to see Rivian offer at least the same 40 amps but in a system that doesn't require a ton of installation cost. Ford's system is quite complicated and expensive to install.

The Tesla system is expensive to install as well unless you already have a powerwall. The Tesla system seems simpler as it only requires a UWC and a powerwall.

With that said one could do a lot with 40amps of inverted power. 1500w is just not enough to compete with what others are offering.

Rivian has been tossing V2G, V2H around for a while.. they've also been tossing around V2V for charging.

In the V2V case, that's absolutely a battery -> Inverter 30-40A -> vehicle -> cable -> vehicle -> inverter -> battery config. The onboard inverter *must* be able to do at least 32A bidirectionally to make V2V useful.

I Know these are all pipe dreams. Rivian has given us a lot of "post-sale improvements". It would be nice if Rivian called out what the vehicles support today *at minimum*

 

[Riviaenz]

This would be a nice alternative to V2H since you could use something like this to power your fridge and maybe your wifi and/or PC. The real issue for Rivian (and the Wrangler’s Power Box) is that it only outputs 1500w. That puts a pretty sizable limit on what they can power. Still useful for camping but not a real alternative for true V2H.

Ford’s F150 Hybrid has up to 7200w of output while the Lightning has a whopping 9600w available.

One thing I would really like to see from Rivian is a better AC inverter. At at minimum they should increase the output to 2400w. That would allow 20amps at 110. Optimally Rivian could duplicate Ford’s ability to use 220v outlet. Though I’m not sure how much weight an inverter would require. Of course there is the added weight as well.

1500W is the same what Rivian can already output via the rear and center armrest outlets. It doesn’t add much except at least for the R1S an externally accessible set of outlets. R1T already has that with the bed. During our last outage I turned our R1T around, plugged an extension cord into the back, ran it upstairs and plugged our fridge and home theater into it. Worked great.

I would be very interested in V2H and look forward to how that might work, if it would already work and all we need is home switching gear and capable home charger. There are 3rd party options available so perhaps the Wrangler kit might be a proof of whether the R1 already support output or if it is pending SW support in addition to Rivian wanting to put out their own home HW. Or perhaps the Rivian wall charger already supports it… has anyone looked into what the Ethernet port on the inside of the Rivian charger is for, and the 2 wire taps are next to it? If it’s not for load sharing (adding a second charger) or supporting future V2H switch then something else?

 

[HaveBlue]

We just need Rivian to integrate the V2V V2L into software and then buy the adapters from a2z
https://a2zevshop.com/collections/charging-stations/products/a2z-ev-ezlink-charger-40amps

 

[Cycliste]

I keep this in the house for power outages, but if I bug out for a wildfire, I’ll bring this with me and plug it in to the bed outlet. This way, I can get 6000 watts output. You can set this to Quiet Charging Mode to charge at less than full speed charging at 1800 watts with the app.

https://www.jackery.com/products/explorer-2000-plus-portable-power-station

 

[Dark-Fx]

My Ocean came with a V2L adapter that was never enabled. Supposedly the EU and UK vehicles now work with a UI enable option on the latest software, but it's absent on the US spec vehicles. Highly doubtful they'll continue to progress the software, but weirder things have happened.

Have yet to test it on any vehicle. Might go around plugging it into my cars today and see if any of them do anything. It sounds like other manufacturers just stick a resistor of specific values between PP and PE to prompt the OBC to output AC power when CP is connected to PP. MG being 470 ohms and 2k ohms depending on the adapter, and hyundai being 62 ohms. Not sure what the Fisker's is yet.

 

[HyperionMark]

Came across A2Zs V2L and was drooling. Having a proper 20amp or even 240V would be huge for RV campers. Can't run AC off of the bed outlets. This would change that.

 

[MikeWilliams_R1T]

I wonder if this will ever get enabled on R1's.

 

[LivingInKaos]

The onboard charger is not able to work bi-directional for AC. Rivians are all able to do DC bi-directional. This requires a dc inverter/charger external to the vehicle.

I've seen this done utilizing a hybrid solar inverter and plugging the truck's DC into the PV input. Doing so from the CCS port would require some communication to get the contacts to close. You could utilize the HV lines going to the ac inverter under the seat, but have to be very careful not to pull too much amperage as that line fuse is actually in the battery pack.

 

[ndmiller]

V2L is just another feature on the list, but no where near the top for Rivian.

R2 is at the top of the priority list period. Nothing but R2 will go further in cementing Rivian as a long term self-sustaining company and help them build that GA plant. All of these feature wants including V2L while valid for some, will just move resources from R2.

I would think after R2 launches, maybe in the next year we'll see some of that stuff. But then all the "bring us R3/R3X" noise and threads will start again, so they'll have to prioritize where V2L goes then.

Think of it this way, where does V2L priority sit for you?
Before or after R2?
Before or after R3?
Before or after R3X?
Before or after CarPlay?

 

[vandy1981]

So, Rivian has been back-burner promising V2H, V2G on their current vehicles for a while now. Actual V2G and V2H hardware though is few and far apart as things stand today.

*However* V2L adapters have existed for a while and are available for a variety of vehicles.

Has anyone tried plugging a V2L adapter into their Rivian to see what happens?

Examples:


https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Adapter-Compatible-Hyundai-Ioniq/dp/B0BKL3DL5L


I know we don't "need" them since we have outlets in the the bed and other places, but it seems like a good capability test at minimum. Most of these are sold as vehicle specific... however it "should" be just the standard V2L standard.

It won't work. The Ioniq V2L adapter uses the on-board charger/inverter. The R1 requires an external DC-to-AC inverter.

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